bio diesel is indeed hygroscopic, ok if your using the car regularly as the fuel get chance to ' go off' as it where.

Not so good for the big fuel tank on my combine harvester for example as that sits there doing nothing for 10 months of the year or for my on farm storage tank which 'hopefully' never gets empty. this is relevant at the moment as red diesel is getting an increased bio-diesel proportion in the new year. At work
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Something else I ponder on is people like shell fuels add different additives to what the supermarkets add

Who can say that the addition of 2T could cause a reaction with said additives and cause more problems as it's not just plain diesel, what if one of those additives is already 2T and your 300ml extra makes it too high a ratio Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Hi Alex

the answer to this here in SA is actually quite easy. The most popular bakkie in SA is the Hilux. It currently uses a CRD diesel 3 litre. There have been a lot of complaints in the motor media about injector and pump failures on CRD components of all makes. On the bakkie mentioned about every 80'000-100'000km. SA farmers are very crafty and a lot of them use the 2sO trick. Those bakkies last about 400'000-500000km with one set of injectors when driven with 2sO. SA farmers have been using the 2sO for decades for various reasons, but primarily due to the (condens) water in their storage diesel tanks.

As far as my longdistance driving is concerned, I have customers that I visit, which entails a 1000km round trip (in one day).

But I am taking it easier now. Since I have gone past age 55, I don't drive that much anymore. With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

npinks and Alex

the main problem with CRD components failing is due to the bio diesel's hygroscopic behaviour. The tolerances in the CRD fuel pressure pumps are measured in 1/100's of a milimetre. Any ingress of water even in minute quantities will cause havoc. You guys must remember, that we here in SA also have the temperature related problems, which will aggravate hygroscopic behaviour.

The mixing in of bio diesel with ULSD is a political decision, not one based on engineering facts. And that is where the problem REALLY lies. With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

npinks wrote:

Something else I ponder on is people like shell fuels add different additives to what the supermarkets add

Who can say that the addition of 2T could cause a reaction with said additives and cause more problems as it's not just plain diesel, what if one of those additives is already 2T and your 300ml extra makes it too high a ratio

Reading back through that guy's comments I find that he is preaching a subject that has already been done to death here.

I also find that if you question his or his new found friend's advise/opinion/view on this subject he takes offence.

For example, and I quote "you guy's still don't get it", I assume from that statement that he expects to be believed and gets annoyed when he isn't.

As I have said before, it is your engine so you do with it as you wish. After all, it will be you who has to pay the potential repair bill should anything go wrong because of the use of 2T oil and not him or his friend.

I don't care who he or his new found friend is or what experience they claim to have, he, like the rest of us is a "no name" on an internet forum. ______________________
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Come on guys and gals, play nice now...  Don't put petrol in a diesel. They don't run well.

24 hours after putting the 2stoke into my vehicle I can tell the difference on start-up, no chug chug chug(same daily temperature.. freezing)smoother acceleration and quiter running until the engine gets warmed up, after that I cant tell the difference. I did put a full bottle in though.
Cheapest I found was at Morrisons supermarket at £1.49-500ml though the rating was FB.
I got mine from Mr Hal Ford and paid way over the top but I could not wait to get the stuff, then remembered I still has some along with my old car accessories that I took off before selling.

Dont forget that you are paying Vat on the % of Bio additives although not classed as a fuel it should not attract this charge (methinks).  Offset your Carbon emissions by boycotting Baked Beans and all Green Vegitables.

Hi Expenselander

if your vehicle is equipped with a particle filter, you will need to get a JASO-FC compliant 2sO. This is to make sure that the PF doesn't get clogged with ash deposits, which cannot be burnt off.

On another note I am expecting in the next few days some pictures on the damage done to CRD pumps by diesel without enough lubricity. (ULSD and ULSD with 5% Bio diesel)

There is a company in Johannesburg reconditioning these pumps and they know all there is to know about the symptoms and causes of these failures.

The moment I have those pics I will post them on this forum. Should make for interesting viewing and strengthen the cause for 2sO  With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

Thanks DiscoGeorge, I did get the FC rating, just stated that the Morrisons Supermarket was rated as FB.
Just had an unnerving experience, went out to put the Snow /Frost cover on the car and found all the windows down, used to happen with the rear tailgate window on the FL1. Boody Remotes, give me back a Key system anyday, I know about Wafers/Pins/Keys but Remotes are doing my head in. Offset your Carbon emissions by boycotting Baked Beans and all Green Vegitables.

When I read the comments of npinks and Dave (to mention the most obstrusive posts) I cannot help, but I have to smile. How can people who claim to have some brain and education do not use their brain and education and THINK! No personal discredit is meant with this statement.
Worldwide positive experience with adding 2-T oil to the diesel must at least let those persons start thinking about their iron rejection of 2-T oil to their tank. And npinks still believes that adding 2-T oil to the diesel will damage the engine or components therof. Npinks, representing this community as Moderator, you have not submitted any post in which we could reasonably assume that you have invested some thoughts in the 2-T oil discussion, but you have impressed us with stubborn statements hiding behind whatever guarantee-problems you fear, again without any proof of your knowledge of warranty and guarantee-issues. And you seem - sorry having to say this - not to be interested to learn and/or take the benefit of other peoples experience.
Of course I am a "no name" participant to this otherwise excellent Forum, as we all are. But this is the intention of any internet forum that things can be said and opinions can be discussed without the fear of legal consequences from parties that consider their interests disturbed. And myself are sometimes balancing between my professional duty and my personal opinion. And the questionable quality -to put it mildly- of so called DIN fuel, and the hundreds of (increasing) law cases I have/am attending with regard to HP-Pump failure, injector failure or engine break down, and the clearly noticable trend why such failures and break down have taken place have given me the strenght to discuss the 2-T oil/diesel fuel issue openly in this forum.
So please, let us return to being pragmatic, back to pro and cons and sharing of experiences.

YF

Hi YF and other forum members

I am currently busy with a company in Johannesburg to obtain hi definition photographs of the damage done to CRD pumps.

This damage is mainly centred around nylon/teflon and rubber seals, that are being damaged due to the absence of sufficient lubrication.

Said company in Johannesburg is reconditioning these pumps with new seals, which then renders them operative again. They have told me that they can immediately see, when a pump has been run with 2sO due to the absence of chafing marks which happen when diesel with insufficient lubricity is being used. According to information obtained from them, these (CRD) pumps fail from 50'000km upwards to about 120'000km when driven with ULSD. On pumps which have been run with ULSD AND 2sO, they haven't had one with less than 400'000km on it.

When I have the pics, I will post them in this thread for all to see. With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

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Just maybe that folk are wary in taking the plunge., after all they are very expencive vehicles and components.
In my view all the more reason for the protection offered by 2 stroke oil. Offset your Carbon emissions by boycotting Baked Beans and all Green Vegitables.