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jules



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Was your old starter bench tested, to see a fault could be found ? Jules

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Marcus97



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Marcus97 wrote:
New starter has been installed. The car turned over for 2s longer than I'd hope for on the first try, so I'm nervous how it will behave when it's -10c. I'll keep you updated.

If this hasn't fixed it, I'm really at a loss. Fuel issue?? The wires all look fine..


The Rover started-up today at -4c on the first try. Looks like the issue is all fixed!

To clarify, I installed a new Bosch starter and grounded the starter directly to the battery.

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jules wrote:
Was your old starter bench tested, to see a fault could be found ?


No, and it's possible the starter was fine and that this was a grounding issue all along...

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And the originally recommended place to connect the extra ground cable from the battery is….




The starter motor!!!!!

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BossBob wrote:
The whole reason for the extra earth strap mod that was done by early FL2 owners and was adopted by Land Rover for later cars. One of our forum members spent 2 years with multiple visits to dealers and many parts changed for the cause to be found to be an earth cable that had the copper conductor almost totally corroded away.


Yes BossBob……good diagnosis……! 13/1/25 FL2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto MY 2012— current
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D1 300TDI Man MY 1996 56kmls….gone 1999…D2 much better
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jules wrote:


I would first check starter motor connections and engine earth/s and make sure they are pristine, as the starter motor is seriously impeded by a dirty high resistance connection.

A simple continuity check will not be adequate to indicate a poor connection.



Ditto Laughing Jules

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If you look closely you will see the ground wire for the 3.2 in this picture

Its labeled LAND ROVER

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jules wrote:
jules wrote:


I would first check starter motor connections and engine earth/s and make sure they are pristine, as the starter motor is seriously impeded by a dirty high resistance connection.

A simple continuity check will not be adequate to indicate a poor connection.



Ditto Laughing

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jules wrote:

I would first check starter motor connections and engine earth/s and make sure they are pristine, as the starter motor is seriously impeded by a dirty high resistance connection.
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"Engine earths" refers to ground cables between the engine itself and the battery? If these were bad, could it cause a weak spark or otherwise explain the ignition problems I'm still having?

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If you look closely you will see the ground wire for the 3.2 in this picture



Is this the "engine earth" mentioned by jules?

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It could be. I used one of the starter motor mounting bolts. Mine was a manual gearbox so might not have had the bolt that Jules with his auto box had available.

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gasman wrote:
Have you checked to see if it's getting the correct amperage. You can get 12 volts on a single strand of wire but it won't carry the required amps. I can't remember what it should be but that is why I changed the main cables. Internal damage causing lack of amps.


Gasmam, I'm thinking this is exactly what my problem is. The new starter and extra ground cable (4 AWG) help (I've gone from no crank to crank+slow start), but I probably have damage inside the positive cable. I'm thinking of replacing it with a 2 AWG or even 1/0 AWG cable...do you remember which you used? I'm seeing wildly different current capacities for each gauge.

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BossBob wrote:
It could be. I used one of the starter motor mounting bolts. Mine was a manual gearbox so might not have had the bolt that Jules with his auto box had available.


Yes that's what I've done as well. I figure if the "engine earth" had problems and was causing a weak spark, I'd be seeing other symptoms too. So perhaps it's the positive cable to the starter...


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Marcus97 wrote:
jules wrote:

I would first check starter motor connections and engine earth/s and make sure they are pristine, as the starter motor is seriously impeded by a dirty high resistance connection.
.


"Engine earths" refers to ground cables between the engine itself and the battery? If these were bad, could it cause a weak spark or otherwise explain the ignition problems I'm still having?


I believe it could.

Its easy to test - run a jump lead from engine to Neg battery terminal - thus bypassing all the engine to chassis earths. Jules

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