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| I Like Chips Member Since: 25 Jun 2017 Location: Ascott Under Wychwood Posts: 1540   
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4th Sep 2024 8:52 pm |
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| IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3129 
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I have now watched my recording of this program.
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7th Sep 2024 9:29 am |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082 
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Having put the Freelander up for sale after getting an EV, I can answer a few of those questions, in order. Cost new, possibly slightly more than an equivalent petrol, but as something like 9 out of 11 new vehicles are on lease, those costs don't effect private individuals, who tend to buy second hand. We chose an Ioniq 5 (it's on a lease), as it's a nice looking equivalent of the Freel2, which had a SSP of £46,950, the Freelander it's replacing cost £32,995 when it was bought back in 2008, so I don't consider the Ioniq expensive in comparison, considering the inflation that has taken place over the last 16 years. Our I-5 costs less to insure than the Freelander it replaced, at £654 this year. Yearly maintenance doesn't exist, it's 2 years or 20k miles, which costs £175 when I enquired. A 2 year old Ioniq 5 can had for about £30k, representing a good saving on the new price. Running costs, it depends. If home charging on an EV tariff, then it'll be about 1/10th of the running costs. My Freelander does about 90 miles to £25 worth of diesel. The I-5 does an average of 3.5 miles to a KWhr of electricity, which on our EV rate of 6.9 Pence per kWhr, works out at under 2 Pence per mile. Unfortunately charging away from a home EV tariff is more expensive, by a substantial margin. Technology, I don't know what you're referring too, but our Ultimate spec I-5 is decades ahead of the Freelander. Years to carbon neutral is difficult to tie down exactly, but on the whole it's under 5 years for most EV on the market, and some are under 3 years. You have to remember that an ICE vehicle will never be carbon neutral, as it's producing CO2 for every second the engine is running. If an EV is under £40k new, then at the moment the RFL is free. However if the purchase price is over £40k, then it gets hit with the luxury car tax for 5 years, but this applies to ICE and EV alike. By storage do you mean boot space? This varies on the vehicle, our I-5 has a 530 L boot, and another 80L in the frunk. The Freelander is 750 odd, but this is to the roof, not the parcel shelf like the I-5 is measured. Something like the rather boring looking Tesla model Y has more space than the Freelander. Range, it depends. Our I-5 will do about 300 miles of urban driving, but about 260 at motorway speeds to a full charge. The Freelander will do about 350 miles round town, and 450-500 at motorway speeds from a full tank. The difference is cost. The Freelander costs best part of £100 to do 450 miles, the I-5 costs £5 in electricity to charge the battery from empty to full, this on a home charger of course. If we're away from home, then charging does cost more, but I use Tesla Superchargers almost exclusively, which are by far the cheapest way to charge, when more than a full charge away from home. Newer EVs can tow, many of those can tow just as much or more than the Freelander. Off road is tricky, but there are EV which can go off road, but as only a tiny proportion of owners actually go off road, the manufacturer's aren't clambering to make off road capable EV, but some do exist. One thing you didn't ask was about performance. This is where EVs shine, as even a moderate performance EV is much faster than an equivalent ICE vehicle. Our I-5 will go from 0 to 60 in ½ the time it takes for the Freelander to reach the same speed, and the EV does it silently. Overtaking in our I-5 is particularly easy, as there's no need for a run-up, or even a long gap in traffic, a quick stab of the throttle, and the car that was in front is now behind, no drama at all, and our Ioniq 5 isn't a fast one, just a 2WD long range. Would I go back to an ICE, not at all. I'm actually looking for another EV (second hand this time) to replace our other car, which is an ICE. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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7th Sep 2024 4:14 pm |
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| robblue Member Since: 10 Jan 2017 Location: cornwall Posts: 262 
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7th Sep 2024 5:06 pm |
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| IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3129
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Although the program said how light Lithium was it did not point out how reactive it is and in my mind how careful you need to be when dealing with it.
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8th Sep 2024 11:04 am |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082
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The issue with fire in lithium ion batteries is nothing to do with lithium, as there's no metallic lithium in a battery. The fire is caused by heat build up in the battery, normally from some form damage or over charging. This heat then causes the organic (often alcohol) electrolyte to burn with alarming force.
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8th Sep 2024 5:00 pm |
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| Andy131 Member Since: 09 Dec 2009 Location: Manchester Posts: 2183
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depending on the chemistry the batteries can have a membrane that ions can cross but the catholyte and anolyte cannot. If this membrane becomes damaged (pin prick sized) the two sides come into contact and generate heat, enough to melt the membrane, so the hole becomes bigger giving a larger contact area allowing more of the two chemicals to mix.
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9th Sep 2024 1:49 pm |
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| AT1963 Member Since: 23 Nov 2021 Location: Leicester Posts: 252 
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There are rumours that the government may introduce an alternative to road fund licence which means you pay for the miles you drive. This will include EVs if it comes in. |
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9th Sep 2024 6:18 pm |
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| Wonderdust Member Since: 23 Mar 2020 Location: Bucks Posts: 161
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The clocking of speedos will be back in fashion! |
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10th Sep 2024 5:03 am |
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| Just a driver Member Since: 29 Nov 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 416 
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And when the spedo head is opened up there will be a little note saying, oh no not again.🤣 |
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10th Sep 2024 5:57 am |
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| IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3129
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EV Drivers are likely to 'Stump up down the Road'
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10th Sep 2024 8:33 am |
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| IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3129
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Monthly Fee for having use of the Heater on?
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10th Sep 2024 9:27 am |
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| AT1963 Member Since: 23 Nov 2021 Location: Leicester Posts: 252
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Thank God i will be pushing up daisies by then |
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10th Sep 2024 2:24 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082
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Nothing wrong with that in my book. As long as it's also applied to ICE vehicles as well, in place of the current RFL. An EV will still be much cheaper to run per mile on an EV tariff, when compared to an equivalent ICE vehicle. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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10th Sep 2024 8:32 pm |
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