I do get it Nodge68, but not for me. I tend to opt for more low tech living options such as log burner to heat house (and heat me collecting , splitting and burning it ).
We do not have gas connection and try to use as little electricity as possible. I enjoy working on things and using my skill set to maintain stuff and feel an EV is that step too far.

I also think that there is a certain amount of brainwashing going on with EVs as there should be a more even balance and investment going into biofuels which reduce emissions and make fuel much more efficient than what it is and prevent us poor people having to buy another car.

However, i also do feel there is a certain amount of Hugh profiteering going on by clever switching of types of fuel/energy by trying to get us to buy this new way of powering transport which will in turn save the world!!!

And by encouraging leasing they are even more creaming us as they definitely do not want personal car ownership as they want us to replace our vehicle every 3 years....how the hell is that good for the environment? This just encourages increased production of vehicles and so Hugh profiteering. The circle of life goes on.

Similar to us , use a log burner as well just no good at mechanics. We have not strapped ourselves up on the never never to buy a motor before and at this stage of life have no intention of starting now. I think your right about the brain washing though.

Bio fuels have a lower calorific value than fossil based fuels, thus needing more efficient engines to break even, no one is developing internal combustion engines except F1, and the plants for bio fuels are grown on land that is either deforested or used for growing food, neither of which is great. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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AT1963 wrote:

I do get it Nodge68, but not for me. I tend to opt for more low tech living options such as log burner to heat house (and heat me collecting , splitting and burning it ).
We do not have gas connection and try to use as little electricity as possible. I enjoy working on things and using my skill set to maintain stuff and feel an EV is that step too far.

I also think that there is a certain amount of brainwashing going on with EVs as there should be a more even balance and investment going into biofuels which reduce emissions and make fuel much more efficient than what it is and prevent us poor people having to buy another car.

However, i also do feel there is a certain amount of Hugh profiteering going on by clever switching of types of fuel/energy by trying to get us to buy this new way of powering transport which will in turn save the world!!!

And by encouraging leasing they are even more creaming us as they definitely do not want personal car ownership as they want us to replace our vehicle every 3 years....how the hell is that good for the environment? This just encourages increased production of vehicles and so Hugh profiteering. The circle of life goes on.

Just a driver wrote:

Similar to us , use a log burner as well just no good at mechanics. We have not strapped ourselves up on the never never to buy a motor before and at this stage of life have no intention of starting now. I think your right about the brain washing though.

I'm one of a growing number of EV drivers at work. It's surprising how many people say they'll not get an EV, then 18 months later they arrive at work in one. After driving them for a few months, they're hooked and wouldn't go back to ICE.

Free work charging can be considered a taxable benefit, so isn't always the cheapest option to run them. However I'm aware that not everyone has access to cheap rate home charging, so in those cases, work charging and paying a bit of extra tax is the next best thing. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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jules wrote:

Just a driver wrote:

Similar to us , use a log burner as well just no good at mechanics. We have not strapped ourselves up on the never never to buy a motor before and at this stage of life have no intention of starting now. I think your right about the brain washing though.

A friend simply rents his Hyundai EV as he doesnt want to have to worry about any future end of contract value. He acquired it mainly for work commuting; doesnt have a home charger as he has free EV charging at work.

I was speaking to a Psychiatrist colleague today who said her partner who is a coroner had dealt with 2 incidents of battery fire which shut down the car as the batteries wouldn't open the car so occupants perished.
He advised her to buy window hammers to use if this happened. I think it is called thermal runaway?
The other issue seems to be if there is any issue with a battery then as it cannot be repaired there is a tendency for insurance companies to scrap the car!!
I was not aware of any of these issues but if this is the case buy a window hammer

A window hammer is a must for any car, not just EV’s, that have electrically operated locks and door handles as they will all have the same problem if there is no current to the actuators. No power, no mechanical unlocking mechanism, no escape.

Just been reading through this thread for interest as we have a Tucson PHEV. So, if the battery packs up can you not open the doors at all from inside and what about from outside? If you can break the window can you still not open the door. There's no way me or the Missus would be able to climb out through the window! We'd have to cook!

AT1963 wrote:

I was speaking to a Psychiatrist colleague today who said her partner who is a coroner had dealt with 2 incidents of battery fire which shut down the car as the batteries wouldn't open the car so occupants perished.
He advised her to buy window hammers to use if this happened. I think it is called thermal runaway?
The other issue seems to be if there is any issue with a battery then as it cannot be repaired there is a tendency for insurance companies to scrap the car!!
I was not aware of any of these issues but if this is the case buy a window hammer

Hi Nodge68
i share this to share info that might hopefully save someone.
Anyway here is a quote about increase in fires but i did wiew an article that went into more detail but cant find it at moment

Sharp increase in electric vehicle fires since last year
What we do know is that while between 2017 and 2020 the number of recorded fires remained relatively low, there was a dramatic upsurge in 2021. This is demonstrated in London Fire Brigade’s figures, which jumped from 32 fires in 2020 to 102 in 2021. In the first half of this year alone, there have been 98 incidents recorded.

More opinions on the huge depreciation of high end EVs, and the chaotic situation the motor industry is finding itself in; being fined for not meeting Gov quotas for new EVs being sold against a reluctant consumer base causing a recent slowing of EV sales.

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Go to 12:40 to see how much he lost on his Porsche Taycan

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AT1963 wrote:

Hi Nodge68
i share this to share info that might hopefully save someone.
Anyway here is a quote about increase in fires but i did wiew an article that went into more detail but cant find it at moment

Sharp increase in electric vehicle fires since last year
What we do know is that while between 2017 and 2020 the number of recorded fires remained relatively low, there was a dramatic upsurge in 2021. This is demonstrated in London Fire Brigade’s figures, which jumped from 32 fires in 2020 to 102 in 2021. In the first half of this year alone, there have been 98 incidents recorded.

Just a driver wrote:

I did not realise EV had dropped that much in price. 3 or 4 grand for an EV that can tow the caravan and can be repaired at Fred in the shed, that is good.