AT1963 wrote:

At 61 years young i have no intention of buying another car if the Freelander holds up.
Why would i want to pay about £10k extra for a battery??
Freelander runs well, is within my budget for running and maintenance and is one of the best vehicles i have owned. Why would i spend my hard earned cash to keep up with the latest trend.
I owe nothing on my car, do all servicing myself and it tows the ifor well.
No brainer!!

I agree with Bob,

AT1963 seems to be very pessimistic about his own lifespan/reliability and perhaps over-optimistic about
the lifespan/reliability of his FL2 and running a it for 25-30 years.
I would concentrate on saving up to buy insurance on his (EV?) car, so that he can afford to drive in his 80s.
Although by the year 2045 EVs will be compulsory, and there will be a 'blanket' 20mph speed limit.

PS I bought my 'LAST' car some 26 years ago (my ex company car) but FORTUNATELY I have been forced to buy 3 more cars over the years as replacements. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

AT1963 wrote:

Hi Nodge68
i share this to share info that might hopefully save someone.
Anyway here is a quote about increase in fires but i did wiew an article that went into more detail but cant find it at moment

Sharp increase in electric vehicle fires since last year
What we do know is that while between 2017 and 2020 the number of recorded fires remained relatively low, there was a dramatic upsurge in 2021. This is demonstrated in London Fire Brigade’s figures, which jumped from 32 fires in 2020 to 102 in 2021. In the first half of this year alone, there have been 98 incidents recorded.

IanMetro wrote:

I agree with Bob,

AT1963 seems to be very pessimistic about his own lifespan/reliability and perhaps over-optimistic about
the lifespan/reliability of his FL2 and running a it for 25-30 years.
I would concentrate on saving up to buy insurance on his (EV?) car, so that he can afford to drive in his 80s.
Although by the year 2045 EVs will be compulsory, and there will be a 'blanket' 20mph speed limit.

PS I bought my 'LAST' car some 26 years ago (my ex company car) but FORTUNATELY I have been forced to buy 3 more cars over the years as replacements.

We are 3 months into running a Clio Alpine E-Tech as our second car , it’s a self charging hybrid . Two electric motors and very low tech 90hp 1600 cc petrol engine . It will produce a maximum of 145ps with everything kicking in . We’ve averaged 61 mpg from it . The longest run we’ve done without the engine kicking in is about 14 miles on the flat , the vehicles computer just fires up the motor as necessary . It’s changed my view a lot in going for a full EV for the future as in city traffic it’s nicest thing I’ve ever driven! There’s an extra letter on the auto box , B , which is boosted regenerative braking ( thank you F1 technology ) using this mode driving in town is basically a one pedal exercise , brilliant just like a kid in a bumping car ! Although the acceleration is modest by todays standards ( 9.4 0-60) , the battery boost at the bottom end makes it really swift where you need it , the same on overtaking on the motorway , kick down like an auto and full battery boost arrives instantly.

I think the Full and Partial hybrid vehicles , are a route that a lot of sceptical drivers will adopt before full EV , then having done so , like me their eyes will be opened a little bit more . As the owner of a big polluting 2.8 diesel myself I fully expect to be crucified by Two Tier Kier in his money grab to level us all down , so I’m being open minded now where I’ll go next ( I bought a Hilux rather than a defender as pickups don’t get the extra annual “ luxury tax “ on over £40k list price ) .

PS we bought the Clio with my wife’s Boundless ( the old CSMA ) discount , we’ll keep it 4 years and expect to lose £12k . Leasing it would only have cost £13,500 for the same term , and left us with the capital earning interest as it was drawn down , it may have been the wiser choice . I’ll certainly look at Leasing as the preferred option if we go EV , it’s the sensible option if all the videos on depreciation are correct . 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Last edited by MartynB on 19th Sep 2024 10:45 am. Edited 1 time in total

Had first car 18 years, same for second car. The Freelander only 10 years old.

In 2016 wired the garage with 3 phase for next car.

Probably I will wear out quicker than the Freelander. No point replacing a perfectly good car. Due to permanent family health issues only going through a tank of petrol every 4 weeks.

Some of the streets in our area are already 30kph (18.6mph).

Probably will go for a jet powered mobility scooter next! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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I think that one of the biggest problems with EV is politicians. What ever politician from any party tells you how wonderful something is and how good for you it will be, you know that they are telling porkies, and that they are getting a back hander somewhere along the line. Be it free holidays or free clothes, that is why people are sceptical and don’t buy into it.

MartynB wrote:

We are 3 months into running a Clio Alpine E-Tech as our second car , it’s a self charging hybrid . Two electric motors and very low tech 90hp 1600 cc petrol engine . It will produce a maximum of 145ps with everything kicking in . We’ve averaged 61 mpg from it . The longest run we’ve done without the engine kicking in is about 14 miles on the flat , the vehicles computer just fires up the motor as necessary . It’s changed my view a lot in going for a full EV for the future as in city traffic it’s nicest thing I’ve ever driven! There’s an extra letter on the auto box , B , which is boosted regenerative braking ( thank you F1 technology ) using this mode driving in town is basically a one pedal exercise , brilliant just like a kid in a bumping car ! Although the acceleration is modest by todays standards ( 9.4 0-60) , the battery boost at the bottom end makes it really swift where you need it , the same on overtaking on the motorway , kick down like an auto and full battery boost arrives instantly.

I think the Full and Partial hybrid vehicles , are a route that a lot of sceptical drivers will adopt before full EV , then having done so , like me their eyes will be opened a little bit more . As the owner of a big polluting 2.8 diesel myself I fully expect to be crucified by Two Tier Kier in his money grab to level us all down , so I’m being open minded now where I’ll go next ( I bought a Hilux rather than a defender as pickups don’t get the extra annual “ luxury tax “ on over £40k list price ) .

PS we bought the Clio with my wife’s Boundless ( the old CSMA ) discount , we’ll keep it 4 years and expect to lose £12k . Leasing it would only have cost £13,500 for the same term , and left us with the capital earning interest as it was drawn down , it may have been the wiser choice . I’ll certainly look at Leasing as the preferred option if we go EV , it’s the sensible option if all the videos on depreciation are correct .

Just a driver wrote:

I think that one of the biggest problems with EV is politicians. What ever politician from any party tells you how wonderful something is and how good for you it will be, you know that they are telling porkies, and that they are getting a back hander somewhere along the line. Be it free holidays or free clothes, that is why people are sceptical and don’t buy into it.

I see that EVs will be paying RFL from next year.
While I'm not really a fan of paying RFL, I do realise that it must happen if taxation somewhere else is to be avoided. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

RFL ? I think the Road Fund Licence officially ceased in 1955.

I thought it was now VED . "car tax" Its got nothing to do with funding the roads anyway- thats all in general taxation, as it should be. Jules

You guys with plug-in hybrids - do you have solar panels or just 7kh wall sockets?? MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

RFL ? I think the Road Fund Licence officially ceased in 1955.

I thought it was now VED . "car tax" Smile Its got nothing to do with funding the roads anyway- thats all in general taxation, as it should be. Jules


It should be a lot cheaper.

Jimbo

Lower VED is just a dream unfortunately. With a growing population government will raise it higher as a way of controlling the number of motors on the road.

tenet wrote:

You guys with plug-in hybrids - do you have solar panels or just 7kh wall sockets??

plug ins dont have huge batteries, a basic charger on a 13a plug should be OK for most users.

Saying that fitting a 7kw wall charger isnt silly if your going to be using either hybrid or EV for the foreseeable future.

I have an 22kw 3 phase charge as i have the power supply at hand, this makes better use of the phases on my 3 phase solar.

the ipace how ever can only accept 11kw charging but actual draws 12kw according to the screen on charger.

22kw could be too fast as it would often use more power than available from my panels, therefore using grid electric also , I can throttle the charge speed and maybe will do if a future car starts drawing 22kw or so At work
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