Hi Mav71,

I think there could be something wrong with your cars computer or tuning box? I check my mpg everytime I fuel up, reset the trip meter and the trip computer. When I calculate the mpg from litres of fuel used and distance covered its within 0.1 mpg of the trip computer reading.

I think there is a big difference in the quality /sophistication of Tuning boxs available.

flycop2000 wrote:

Hi Mav71,

I think there could be something wrong with your cars computer or tuning box? I check my mpg everytime I fuel up, reset the trip meter and the trip computer. When I calculate the mpg from litres of fuel used and distance covered its within 0.1 mpg of the trip computer reading.

I think there is a big difference in the quality /sophistication of Tuning boxs available.

 The Importer in Denmark may provide the following: 

Product Name: Land Rover Free Lander 2 2.2 TD4 Stage I engine optimization - 205 Hp & 495 Nm
Part number FREEL2TD4STGI
  
Land Rover Free Lander 2 2.2 TD4 Stage I engine optimization - Reprogramming fuel map program in motor control (which control the fuel, air, pressure, etc.). The engine will have better bottom drag (torque), starting earlier (at a lower speed) and a higher input of approx., 205 Hp & 495 Nm which together provide a more flexible drive and a more economical engine (about 9% lower fuel consumption by same driving pattern).
A good upgrade at much motorway driving and driving with a trailer - a very good optimization --

Price: 1.100€ (8.250dkk) (Land Rover Tuning - ring and book a time in our workshop in Denmark) LR Freelander2 2,2 Td4 HSE manuel Stornaway Grey (Metallic) & Ebony Black Leather & Sun/Moon-roof & Bi-Xenon & Roof Rails & Tow bar & Body side rubbing strips & Cold climate pack & Privacy glass & NavTeq . Production Date: 11/5-2007 in Halewood.

Sorry, but I have changed to Defender 90 ", and I love my" tractor ".
http://www.youtube.com/bjartin

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The Freelander's Aisin Warner AWF21 automatic gearbox is designed for a max. torque of 450 Nm.
There's of course a safety factor but I wouldn't take the risk to exceed it too often.

9 % lower fuel consumption ? I have my doubts. Because of the higher torque the engine will switch to a higher gear sooner so there you can gain a bit but it's not going to reduce the consumption by such a high figure.
I don't see any reason why in the same gear and the same rpm the consumption should be lower and if you drive your car the same way as without power box, why should you buy it ?

I rarely use the full power of the FL2's engine, not when accelerating and not at constant speed . I think the performance of the engine is just great as it is and if I would have felt unhappy about it, I would have bought another -lighter- car, no Land Rover.
I prefer a very long lifetime above the extra power - but that's of course my personal idea.

I am satisfied with my car as it is delivered from the dealer, and I will not pay € 1,000 for something that is unnecessary.


It is my importer that gives notice with this on his new-born web-page: http://lrparts.dk/index.html


Therefore, it may not have negative effect on the warranty!!! LR Freelander2 2,2 Td4 HSE manuel Stornaway Grey (Metallic) & Ebony Black Leather & Sun/Moon-roof & Bi-Xenon & Roof Rails & Tow bar & Body side rubbing strips & Cold climate pack & Privacy glass & NavTeq . Production Date: 11/5-2007 in Halewood.

Sorry, but I have changed to Defender 90 ", and I love my" tractor ".
http://www.youtube.com/bjartin

bjartin wrote:

 The Importer in Denmark may provide the following: 

Product Name: Land Rover Free Lander 2 2.2 TD4 Stage I engine optimization - 205 Hp & 495 Nm
Part number FREEL2TD4STGI
  
Land Rover Free Lander 2 2.2 TD4 Stage I engine optimization - Reprogramming fuel map program in motor control (which control the fuel, air, pressure, etc.). The engine will have better bottom drag (torque), starting earlier (at a lower speed) and a higher input of approx., 205 Hp & 495 Nm which together provide a more flexible drive and a more economical engine (about 9% lower fuel consumption by same driving pattern).
A good upgrade at much motorway driving and driving with a trailer - a very good optimization --

Price: 1.100€ (8.250dkk) (Land Rover Tuning - ring and book a time in our workshop in Denmark)

Should that not be FREEL2TD4STIG

[quote="Paul"]The Freelander's Aisin Warner AWF21 automatic gearbox is designed for a max. torque of 450 Nm.
There's of course a safety factor but I wouldn't take the risk to exceed it too often.
[quote="Paul"]

Hi Paul,
Where do you know that 450Nm is the maximum torque for the automatic transmission.
It is not even stated in AISIN specifications?
Please, share info since i received a tunning box from http://www.dieseltuning.co.uk/ and i still hesitate about installing it....
It is not only for their inconsistant attitude (still no VAT and promotional ammounts returned) but because the stated numbers are way too high 205ps/540Nm....

I was afraid someone would ask this...


I'm joking nickkuts. The first time I posted this was on Nov. 27th 2007... and I don't remember the source.
I'll try to find it though and come back asap.

What I found so far:

Surching for specifications, I found on the Aisin website:

AISIN AW does not sell products to the consumer. We cannot release any information regarding product specifications, quality assurance and after-sales service of products

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:bEEEQ1...&gl=be

Hm, not exactly what I was looking for.

Next:
http://www.aisin-aw.co.jp/en/02products/02at/01ff/index.html

This shows that their only 6-speed auto gearbox for front wheel drived vehicles has a max. torque of 450 Nm.
But, the type no. is TF-80SC and there is no trace of a AWF21.

So , is it possible that the partno. has been changed ? I don't know. Who can help ?

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chicken george wrote:

there a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis

Well he's a liar, and I'm not sure about you

I found some more sources:

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:FrFUM6...&gl=be

unfortunately, I don't understand it at all...


next,
http://archive.autonews.fr/fr/cmc/scanner/...10471.html

That's easier for me...

Ford ajoute aux gammes du S-Max et du Galaxy la transmission automatique 6 vitesses Aisin AWF21 à régulation électronique. Proposant 6 rapports automatiques ou séquentiels, cette nouvelle transmission est conçue pour supporter un couple d'entrée maximal de 450 Nm et ne pèse que 95 kg.

So the Ford S-Max and Galaxy have the same automatic gearbox as the FL2: Aisin AWF21 which has a max. torque of 450 Nm.

I also found the same data on German forums but I don't consider forums as reliable information.

(except for the freel2 one - of course)

If anyone in Belgium is interested, I can highly recommend Autotune Heinz in Aalst. I've had several cars remapped there, including a Golf 2.0tdi, BMW 335d and FL2 2.2d, always with excellent results.

http://www.autotuneheinz.be/index.php

nhalliday wrote:

If anyone in Belgium is interested, I can highly recommend Autotune Heinz in Aalst. I've had several cars remapped there, including a Golf 2.0tdi, BMW 335d and FL2 2.2d, always with excellent results.

http://www.autotuneheinz.be/index.php

According to their website, they don't sell "black boxes or preprogrammed tuning chips"

so off topic...

Err, half the posts in the thread are about remaps, but whatever, I'll shut-up