This whole saga was started by a lady lawyer called Yamaha fan from Munich, she joined the forum in June 2007 and last posted in May 2011 which is now 4 years ago.
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On the home page at the bottom it records which members are on as 'live'
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Does anybody out there know who she is and has anybody seen her ID pop up on the home page recently as 'live' ? She did after all own a Freelie at the time.
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I'd appreciate her update on TSO.
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i really don't think other than saying it "works in tests, she has seen", there is nothing more she can say on the matter, unless the company she was working for have made the finding public

she always said that she couldn't make the findings public, obviously client confidentiality, but said that a brand of cars had released it in their cars manual that it was okay to add, but funiliy enough the on line manuals for those brands mention nothing about adding it at that time either

I'm sure she would dismiss the test findings too Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

I got the impression that the manual mentioned was for special purposes - ie "third world" use. The implication was that you would add TSO in areas where the diesel is dodgy.
So like South Africa then...? Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
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Yes, dear Npinks. You want proof that 2SO works. What proof have you submitted, that 2SO does not work, other than polemic bullshit and the reference to the test of one oil producer.
Will practical experience not count as proof? You want accademic proof, than you are mistaken. Even me, as a full accademic,
will put practical experience over imperical tests.
Not without reason will the pharmaceutical industry release new medicines after imperial studies and testing without practical testing to substanciate the laboratory tests. Why do they do this? Because the practical experience ist by far more reliable than the laboratory tests. Maybe one day you will understand these complex relations.

Isn't it really the case that if 2SO really delivered any quantifiable benefit, then diesel sellers would be on it like a tramp on chips and selling us all 2SO enhanced diesel for a few pence more per litre than the price of regular diesel?

My non-scientific / no practical experience view is that if it made engines perform better, car manufacturers would recommend it. Until that happens I couldn't be doing with the added faff of 2SO dosing.

I use Vpower in my FL2 but in my 1.9 TDI hatch I use Tescburysons cheapest - not sure the extra cost of Vpower delivers any measurable benefit over supermarket diesel either...

fredastaire wrote:

This whole saga was started by a lady lawyer called Yamaha fan from Munich, she joined the forum in June 2007 and last posted in May 2011 which is now 4 years ago.
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On the home page at the bottom it records which members are on as 'live'
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Does anybody out there know who she is and has anybody seen her ID pop up on the home page recently as 'live' ? She did after all own a Freelie at the time.
.
I'd appreciate her update on TSO.
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Kind regards from Fred

npinks wrote:

I don't need to provide proof of whether it does or doesn't work, the fact that the motor manufacturers don't tell you to add 2SO into you diesel is enough for me its obviously not required, but when some people rave on about it been so wonderful do many millions of miles, it obviously isn't doing any harm adding it.

I have been using TSO in 2 cars for 4 years, the benefits have been obvious to me on both cars, one with DPF (reduced dose and JASO FC) and one with no DPF ( JASO FB ratio 1:200.) I really struggle with the nastiness that gets into this thread, started mainly by the anti side and which normally gets personal. We have one Mod who tries hard to keep a balance and one with a chip on his shoulder that does little to promote his case against the use of TSO. Most people post here to pass on tips and help members, nobody, as far as I can tell, sets out to publish harmful advice deliberately. FFS use it if you believe in it and don't use it if you don't.

Paul wrote:

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... And if the fuel manufacturers would admit the benefits, they would admit their expensive diesel isn't good enough.

well interesting topic.
I have been using TSO for many many years ( first found ou about it is 1987 ) and most of my Diesels have run permanently on a low dose. My Peugeot 405Turbo D covering 285000 miles without smoke or issues.

Interestingly the test mentions Zinc, well motor oils have zinc in as well as its used as a lubricant. mostly less than 1%
My current van has covered more than 80K injust over a year with dose on every fill.

Now according to the scientific test my injectors should be blocked by now as the working surface area of most diesel injectors is 20 microns ! ( more important is the torque setting of the securing bolt for an injector as the tension changes the structure of the injector and this would cause more problems than a touch of zinc )

I tried a tank full without and I definatley loose some torque and one of the very long inclines I do every day with the same payload I have to drop down an additional gear when no TSO added and the engine is noisier.

Having been involved in lab testing and with engine oils one lab test on one engine for just a few hours has no value whatsoever.
The research center I was involved with would use a row of 12 hand built engines all rebuilt to exact spec and run on water dynomometer and run until the engines had destructed which often involved months running flat out. Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

I started using 2 stroke a couple of months back and for some rerason it took a few tanks full, but my mpg went gradually went from 25mpg urban to 30 mpg. Just to confirm this I did not add any in my fill up before this one, my MPG dropped back to 25MPG. Filed up again adding 2 stroke and it has crept back up to 30mpg again.
It is also quieter on starting cold, more responsive and nicer to drive.

OK so coming up on 5 months of 2SO in every tankful of my 07 3.0 Audi A6 quattro TDI, as I fill 80lt each time I've been adding 750ml per tank at the station before I start to pump fuel.

Just had MOT done last Thursday (28th May 15) and despite doing 4k less miles than the previous year my emissions were down. Nothing else has changed as have been using millers since I had the car in 2012 and have always used supermarket fuel (Tesco as nearest for 24 months).

Smoke Reading
Peak 1 = 1.14 m-1 (1.16)

Zero Drift = 0.06 m-1 (0.08 ) Max 0.10

Average = 1.08 m-1 (1.20 )

Test result
Fast Pass = 1.08 m-1 (1.20) Max 1.50

So with my emissions down by 9% at fast pass I'll stick with the TSO since I am reasonably sure that a big lump like my engine would normally have worse emissions with shorter journeys. Hopefully next year I'll get below 1.0

Last years figures shown in brackets ( )

I hope my adding 2SO wasn't the cause of my faulty turbo.............. Ours - 2008 Stornoway Grey HSE Auto
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Ours - 2007 White Bailey Pageant Champagne

i doubt it my turbo went twice on the old car and i dont use it  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

dr. tom wrote:

Yes, dear Npinks. You want proof that 2SO works. What proof have you submitted, that 2SO does not work, other than polemic bullshit and the reference to the test of one oil producer.
Will practical experience not count as proof? You want accademic proof, than you are mistaken. Even me, as a full accademic,
will put practical experience over imperical tests.
Not without reason will the pharmaceutical industry release new medicines after imperial studies and testing without practical testing to substanciate the laboratory tests. Why do they do this? Because the practical experience ist by far more reliable than the laboratory tests. Maybe one day you will understand these complex relations.