npinks wrote:

The exact can be said to you Issus, where's your proof

Mr Moderator - as previous Forum Members have commented the only proof they can offer is by their own eyes and ears! There is no specific proof as yet and I think you are well aware of this! As Suffolk man rightly remarked the only specific proof that may arise is "failure" - at the moment I am hard pressed to locate any specific case of failure. Maybe your post is a tad facetious but in any case I am happy to rely on eyes and ears. I do however plan in July to investigate the EGR valve to see if the "muck" level has been reduced as claimed by Yamaha. By the way are you related to doubting Thomas of Bible Fame by any chance  Up the Cobblers

Issus, when you have investigated the valve come back and let us know it is of interest, until that time please do not comment on the posts of others or reply in a provocative manner, this is a thread relating to the use of 2so in diesel, it is a thread discussing personal findings and anecdotes and until such time that scientific or peer reviewed evidence is brought forward, let's keep it as such and that also goes for those others involved on this thread.

There is a link i will try and find to the German Audi a2 forum which shows VERY convincing lab results of the benefits of using 2SO in diesel. I have used 2SO for about 20k miles in my A2 and at the last MOT it flew through the emmissions test, the tester was amazed at the readings. I will say the benefits in the FL2 are less noticable albeit there has been a noticable improvment in torque at low revs and an improvemnet in mpg (actual brim-to-brim not on board computer figures) however I also now use Ultimate/Vpower fuels so that may have some bearing. eh tu?

The question remains: proponents can state claims of their perceived success and opponents can do the opposite. Photos of components can show the condition of said component yet that in itself is no proof that 2SO either did or did not result in that specific outcome. It is all too easy to jump to conclusions.

This is why I said: because not just LandRover, but most other manufacturers may void your warranty, be prepared to accept the risk to your own wallet. If you ever err in life, do so on the safe side.

If we didn't take risks in life we would still be living in trees and never discovered penicillin etc. The photos I refer to are not of components out of engines but of injectors run in the lab with different combo's of diesel/2SO types and ratios. The comparisons are amazing and until I saw the photos an dread the data I too was somehwat dubious. eh tu?

issus wrote:

By the way are you related to doubting Thomas of Bible Fame by any chance

Sorry no relation, I'm real and not a fictional character from a book written to try give people hope of an afterlife  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

taztastic wrote:

Issus, please do not comment on the posts of others or reply in a provocative manner, this is a thread relating to the use of 2so in diesel, .

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50,000km is still very low mileage.

That the addition of the homoeophatic dosis of 2SO will increase the HFRR-value of diesel is scientifically proven and a known fact. The HFRR measures the wear of moving components under Tribology aspects. Google for details or consult wikipedia.
Shawn Coetzee - supported by DandyLandy claim that the addition of 2SO to uls-diesel has caused the failure of a lately rebuild diesel engine. This statement is "a shot in the air" and clearly confirms that both do not know what they are talking about. Their "contributions" to this forum are -to put it mildly- dubious.
As I said earlier, scientific proof of the beneficial use of 2SO with diesel will probably never be published (although studies exist- but they are under lock for probably good reasons).
But: the anti-2SO fraction may please provide acceptabel proof that the addition of 2SOer has ever caused any damage to any otherwise fit diesel engine of any manufacturer.
They will find it very hard to submit, if at all.
By the way: I have read in a German magazine that Yamaha-Fan has been appointed Senior Member of a German High-Court. My hearty congratulation to her!

dr.tom

Yes, indeed, where are these engine failures, which dooms-day proponents attribute to usage of 2sO?

the thing with this subject as stated you will not get definitive proof from either side of the fence, not at least until a lab does a test.

Those that will have engine failures or parts of, either wont bring up the adding of 2so in the fuel if they are in warranty as this will void the claim under the do not add additives to the fuel clauses, therefore you will never know, unless its serviced privately and the part failed is tested for whatever they would test for

those that don't add 2SO might still have trouble free motoring, on the basis that the fuel is adequate or might not and there is nothing to say that the lack of 2so will have made any difference to the reason the engine or part of broke, its what happens, things move in engine and eventually they break

This thread just needs to be there for those that wish too add it, or research it, its clear from the reading of it, that there is no scientific proof, but there is a lot of people that have used it and feel they are getting the benefits of it been added, there is also the posts from those that don't believe the hype and both points are there to be read

Let people make their own mind up, the information for both sides is there  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Don't think warranty is invalidated by using fuel additives. When my FL2 was in warranty the service (by main LR dealer) included the addition of Wynns 'Diesel System Cleaner'. I also bought some of this from an Audi dealer so presumably they were using it as well.
As been said many times, add 2so if you want, don't add if you have doubts. 11 GS Bali Blue
07 GS FL2. Usually muddy. Gone
Numerous LRs since 1963

dr. tom wrote:

As I said earlier, scientific proof of the beneficial use of 2SO with diesel will probably never be published (although studies exist- but they are under lock for probably good reasons).
dr.tom

768will, that's because the dealer put it in as an approved additive, not sure why you brought up Audi as I'm referring to LR warranty, after all it is a freelander forum  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

There is a rumour on some German forums one of the premium German premium brands use 2SO in their management and press cars to give their engines 'the edge' when being driven on press days etc. As stated above if you don't want to use it don't however for those of us who do and find benefits (whether subjective or objective) please do not criticise without evidence to support your claims. If you Google search the German A2 forum you will find the report I referred to earlier much of which is also copied into the UK A2OC forum. It is all there for you to look at and read and form your conclusions! eh tu?