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milky400



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in previous diesels i have had i worked out the difference in cost using v-power and standard supermarket rubbish. the pence per mile was 1p less whilst using v-power or such like. not tried it in the FR2 but a mates has witth his Evoque, and it averages about the same cost per mile. i put it down to the Cetane level, higher level would mean less fuel is needed to produce equivilent output in power.

All above was done on mainly commuter runs of about 120 miles of dual carrageway driving a day, not sure what town figures would be like

Post #161959 23rd Nov 2012 11:51 am
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BossBob



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Pretty sure that the pump owner would be hauled over the coals if it was that badly calibrated!

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Mona Geeza



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Mav71 wrote:
The car does know what grade of fuel is being used but obviously not the price.


Quite clever really, it takes after the owner, he knows how much the food will cost but not if its going to be any good or not.

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chicken george wrote:
the airs tougher in Yorkshire, and we dont like sharing it


Everything is much thicker in Yorkshire Whistle

I use 80% V Power, only because its not always available, the other 20% is 95% Shell ordinary 5% BP if I have too, the accountants will love the %'s Laughing V power is quieter and more powerful, the differnece in price is £1.47 v £1.39 at present here Shocked seriously though its £5 difference for a tankful, well worth it, I laughed this morning when I was in Norton Canes services taking a leak, two guys at the Costa coffee moaning about prices of fuel, they are stood in a queue for watered down coffee at nearly £3 for a small cup FFS.

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ad210358



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npinks wrote:
The projected range will be based on the avg mpg at the time of filling up, the trip computer does know how much you paid at the pump Thumbs Up

I've noticed a 1.5mpg increase running on shell instead of Tesco's




npinks wrote:
The projected range will be based on the avg mpg at the time of filling up, the trip computer doesn't know how much you paid at the pump

I've noticed a 1.5mpg increase running on shell instead of Tesco's

Edited to correct my iPad spelling

Last edited by npinks on 22nd Nov 2012 10:42 pm. Edited 1 time in total


Now that's a U Turn a politician would be proud of, ever thought about going into Politics Nick?

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npinks



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If it gets me a few weeks in Oz Jungle I might, not sure about the hours and the money though

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ad210358



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The van I have at work has has a bad hesitancy when the rev counter is loitering around 2000 revs, it has been back in twice, each time they tell me there've updated the software as its common on these vans apparently, had to buy V Power this week as the standard Shell was out, a marked improvement and the hesitancy has gone, now on the second tankful.

Anyone else noticed the standard Shell Diesel is also not to be found over the last couple of months, a little sign on the pump states "Shell Fuelsave Diesel not available at the moment".

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npinks



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It's at my local shell garage, or was last time I filled up 350 miles ago, I'll see tomorrow when I fill up again

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ad210358



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It's on the pump on the Fuelsave Sticker, wondered if it is due to a shortage of additives since the demise of Total. Though it may be just the old Total sites having the problem.

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npinks



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My locals a old Total site, I'll have a look this weekend Thumbs Up

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lespes



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Seems hard to believe that the fuel computer can do all these clever things, like differentiate between qualities of fuel, when it makes such a poor guess of what the actual usage is Laughing

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wiggy



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Thanks for the pi55 taking but I'll post what I'm going on about now

I fill the car up till the fuel pump clicks off. These are the last four fill ups. This is what the mileage till empty says in my car and I fill up as soon as I ge to lower than a quarter tank every time.

Morrisons cheap 425 miles till empty
BP Ultimate Diesel 565 miles till empty
Morrisons cheap 419 till empty and yesterday....
BP Ultimate 549 miles till empty

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pab



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wiggy wrote:
Morrisons cheap 425 miles ... 419
BP Ultimate Diesel 565 miles ... 549 miles

If the same volume of fuel was going in on each fill you'd have to be getting around 25% better mileage from the BP fuel to achieve these figures. That is clearly not happening, so the explanation has to be that there's less fuel going in when you fill up at Morrisons. Why? Almost certainly frothing/foaming of the fuel as it goes in. Raw diesel foams quite a lot, and additives are used to control it. It's seems clear that the BP fuel has more/better anti-foaming additives. The pump will click off when the foam starts reaching the filler - it doesn't have to be liquid diesel.

If you want to test this, try filling up at Morrisons letting the fuel flow in slowly, and continuing the delivery through several click-offs. You should find you can get quite a lot more fuel in after the first click off.

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wiggy



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roger!
I'll try it over the next couple of weeks.

I definetly notice a difference in the pick up and smooth running of my engine on branded fuel.

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Wiggy, it has been done on here a few times, branded fuel will perform better the Supermarket fuel, the VPower and the BP equivilent always gives me another 2 to 3 better mpg along with a smoother and more responsive performance.

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