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Arrjo



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Location: Tallinn
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Estonia 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Tambora Flame

Hey Atrix,

My manual FL2 is a real pain in the ass because of the DPF problem. So far i've only located workshops in England where I could remove the DPF, but can you tell me which garage did you use in Germany? I think i'll take a trip to Germany in spring and I could let it be removed then Smile
If you don't want to give that info in public, then you can send a private message.

THANKS!

Arrjo 2007 FL2 TD4 Tambora Flame

Post #131982 14th Feb 2012 4:16 pm
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Atrix



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Latvia 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 S Manual Lago Grey

Arrjo, I will send you a PM with a link to the web-page of DPF-simulator producer. It solves the main problem - prevents car going into limp mode. However, this gadget is not perfect. It cannot dupe the ECU entirely and electronci fault signals are recorded with the 'check-engine' light flaring up. I don't feel disturbed by this. Nevertheless you have to delete the error message before going to annual car safety inspection. Otherwise the car can be operated without problems. But this gadget is not a cheap one, I have to say..

Take care Wink

atrix

Post #132144 15th Feb 2012 3:55 pm
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Zajcol



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Poland 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Lago Grey

Hi Arrjo,

These guys can probalbly do it:
http://www.tdi-tuning.pl/dpf.htm
Warsaw is probably couple of hours of driving closer to you than the Geramny.

Post #132151 15th Feb 2012 6:12 pm
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rchrdleigh



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England 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Baltic Blue

I have a 2011 FL2 and drive mostly on single lane A and B roads and over 14000 miles have not had any problems with my DPF. Also I regularly have access to a LRE FL2 which spends almost all its life off road or doing short runs on A and B roads and it neve has a DPF full problem.

Post #132156 15th Feb 2012 6:28 pm
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Zajcol



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Poland 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Lago Grey

Well, mine has done 31000 km, which is what? 20.000 miles? No problems so far, and I certainly hope it stays this way!

Post #132160 15th Feb 2012 7:08 pm
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Arrjo



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Thanks guys for the help! Bow down 2007 FL2 TD4 Tambora Flame

Post #132194 15th Feb 2012 9:55 pm
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chrisr1806



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My dad had a similar problem but on his Discovery 2. It turnes out that when it wnet in for a service Guy Salmon Land Rover punctured the radiator and the car went into redced power mode. Hope yours is ok. will watch out as my dad now has an SD4 aswell.

Post #158118 20th Oct 2012 5:11 pm
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Past master



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Thing is, both Arrjo and Atrix have older model FR2s which would not have had a DPF fitted in UK. From what I read on here, the latest UK models with DPF don't have the problems that the early continental models suffer from.

Post #158152 20th Oct 2012 8:23 pm
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Knoxy



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Switzerland 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Lago Grey

What is the difference on the latest UK models compared to the older continental ones? I have quite a few issues with the DPF on my 2007 european spec model. It would be interesting to see if there is something that can be done, i.e. new software for the ECU or even getting a newer updated DPF unit (if the technology has changed to make it better). I wonder how all these Evoques are going to get on with their short school runs...

Post #158641 25th Oct 2012 9:39 am
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harrivassu



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Atrix wrote:
Folks,

Especially manual-gear box owners and city / short distance drivers seem to be affected badly. The frequent DPF regenerations lead to dilution of engine oil and in the worst case can ruin the engine.

atrix


That is just like my case! I drive my LR2 80% on highways and the rest is citydriving. I'm living in Finland and especially in winter time the car can not take almost any city driving before I have "DPF Full" or even worse "Visit dealer" warnings. The local dealer has updated the software, engine oil has been changed, but it is still the same. It seems to be a feature! Now I'm seriously considering to have another car, if this is not going be solved. I have a block heater to help the engine while cranking it up.

p.s one funny thing is too that it won't start below -10 celsius w/o the block heater. Is that normal either?

Post #169347 27th Jan 2013 12:48 pm
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defenderben



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Santorini Black

Just had a read through this thread, why is it everyone seems to think it is JLR not doing their homework?
All UK diesel engines have had DPF's since 2009 and all suffer the same it is not solely a JLR issue, if you look at any car forum the DPF limp mode is a massive issue, which is very much dependant on the type of driving you do.

Even the AA are on about them because of a huge increase in calls from its members breaking down.

Short stop/start journeys, not letting the engine get to full operating temperature for a reasonable length of time are the main factors or switching off the engine during a regeneration process.

This is an all makes issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/1...lters.html

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels...lters.html

Regards
Ben (GONE) FL2 2008 SE (manual) Santorini Black, the expensive one Sad
(LEFT WITH) 300tdi Defender 90 the cold, reliable & sensible one Smile

Post #169417 27th Jan 2013 7:18 pm
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Atrix



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I still insist that JLR attitude toward DPF-plagued FL2 owners was totally unaceptable. It took 5 years for JLR to solve the DPF-issue Laughing Recently, they have issued Q212-Update as a fix for car going into limp-mode right after first 'DPF-Full'-message. First FL2s with DPF came out in 2007. The whole time span between 2007 un 2012 JLR-garages told to complaining customers: everything works as it should; your driving mode is bad and bla bla blaa.. Not to mention regular and expensive garage visits and oil changes due to dilution effect. If that were the case no update would be needed. As for 'other brands have the same problem' just have a look at www.blacklandy.eu. 200 pages for FL2-DPF issues. Of course you can find problems by other makes, but the rate of occurance is in NO comparison with other brands. At least, I could not find a forum on German cars, where 200 pages are devoted to stories of unhappy FL2 owners left stranded by JLR with phrases - everything works just fine! And I would like to remind you that FL2 is by far not the most numerous car with DPF in Germany. The FL2 claimed to be able to cross the continents coudn't endure 3 week of city driving. So, I have every reason to believe that JLR didn't do they homework well in this regard and customers were left to pay for the faulty products. Sorry, for picking up this subject again, but when I read that JLR did everything ok, I can't help raising my voica again Evil or Very Mad It seems that Q212 really helps to solve the issue. But lost trust you can't repair with an overdue update..

Post #169497 28th Jan 2013 9:33 am
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harrivassu



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Atrix wrote:
It seems that Q212 really helps to solve the issue. But lost trust you can't repair with an overdue update..

Well, I'll just have my 96 000 km service. So, if this update helps, I'm satisfied. My first DPF car was MY2008 Skoda Octavia 4x4 and I had no problems what so ever. That's why I've been so confused. Yet, Freelander has been a great car, when it comes to difficult terrain circumtances, thou I have also a tractor in the countryside. Look at the video and have fun:)

Post #169908 31st Jan 2013 4:54 pm
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tyke65



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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Baltic Blue

Read the bit in the manual of my MY2013 SD4 ref DPF but can't find a DPF warning lamp or where a message comes up. Can someone put me straight, please.

Post #202328 8th Oct 2013 3:20 pm
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ad210358



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The message will come up in the message centre, where the fuel gauge and temperature gauge is, accompanied by an Orange light when it needs to be done, if you get the red one its trouble along with the visit dealer message.
Though my SD4 was a 2010, never ever saw any DPF warnings. p****d off with a Digital Keyboard Warrior

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