Tigger wrote:

As you’re giving such a big “thumbs up”, does this mean that you know an answer to Bobupndown’s question?

Let me rephrase: Are you aware of any hard evidence on this yet pleas?

No, and I doubt LR is aware either  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Sperly wrote:

Whilst incredibly thirsty compared to my old Freelander,

The whole balance shaft thing is a strange one, easy to say the oil dilution causes it, but it happens on the other models - velar xf xe etc.
These other models allegedly have no oil dilution issues

or do these others have more dilution than reported?
in that case are the DS and evoke oil dilution problems a bit over told?

Some starnage theories occur on the forums
1. the balance shaft accidentally got left outside for a night and it rained on them
2 the oil ports arnt drilled out correctly - they are infact lubed by oil spray

my mate had an engine fail in a tractor, the oil ports are drilled from each side of the block and should meet in the middle, in this case the drill holes didnt meet, hole blocked , brand new 7l diesel engine seized in its first month of use,

I will agree with sperly badger , the petrol is so smooth/quiet, you do sometimes find your self looking at the dash for either some revs on the counter or the stop start active light At work
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Whatever the real reason for theses engine failures turns out to be it does nothing to defuse the ticking time bomb that Landrover ownership can often be  94 Disco 300 TDI Gone
96 Defender 300 TDI Gone...Should have kept it.
2003 Freelander ES TD4 Gone
2002 Defender TD5 Gone
2005 Freelander HSE TD4 Gone
2015 Freelander 2 Metropolis Keeping for now!

^^^
That's my concern exactly. It really doesn't matter to a first owner on a pcp. If the engine eats itself then LR will stick a new one in under warranty. But my usual price bracket buying at 3 years old, even with a 12 month warranty if an engine dies at say 4 years old I'm gonna be mightily 'd off and facing a very large bill! Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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jules wrote:

Sperly wrote:

Whilst incredibly thirsty compared to my old Freelander,

What MPG are you getting ?

Bobupndown wrote:

^^^
That's my concern exactly. It really doesn't matter to a first owner on a pcp. If the engine eats itself then LR will stick a new one in under warranty. But my usual price bracket buying at 3 years old, even with a 12 month warranty if an engine dies at say 4 years old I'm gonna be mightily 'd off and facing a very large bill!

That report reeks of the Accountants not listening to the Engineers as per usual... Everything at a cost!!! 94 Disco 300 TDI Gone
96 Defender 300 TDI Gone...Should have kept it.
2003 Freelander ES TD4 Gone
2002 Defender TD5 Gone
2005 Freelander HSE TD4 Gone
2015 Freelander 2 Metropolis Keeping for now!

Or the design team not listening to the engineers (which appears to be the consensus on that forum), backed up by penny-pinching accountants. Lose/lose

Thank you Sperly, a very interesting read.

Launching products too early, to meet Management Promises and Plans, occurs in most firms.

It seems they had not realised the limitations of using the existing chassis platform with the new engine (and probably newly tightened emissions figures), what surprises me, and worries me, is that even the latest updated (modified platform) DS and Evoque have still basically same Exhaust / DPF design with it's inherent faults.

I think that JLR were wrong to do quick software fixes to mask the problem, they should have stuck to the original oil dilution specification and engineered their way forward.

I hope that it is safe to choose a fore and aft aligned engine JLR model, or a petrol. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
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(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

The cynic in me suggests to myself that it was all part of a bigger picture to lure owners away from Dielsel altogether, and back into Petrol. But then again, with my sensible hat on, why would they have invested X £Bn at Wolverhampton if that were the case?

With the exception of my neighbours daughters 2017 Ewok (now fixed), I don't know of anyone personally around these parts that has had the problem....and given where I am located, there are an awful lot of these vehicles trundling about. It goes back to what I was saying earlier in the thread...a few have suffered, undoubtedly, but how many are as a result of owners not giving their cars the workout each week that they need? Even us Freelander euro 5 drivers know that we need to give them a good sprint periodically,

Sperly wrote:

Or the design team not listening to the engineers (which appears to be the consensus on that forum), backed up by penny-pinching accountants. Lose/lose

Not sure how it works at JLR but at Ford the design team for powertrain WERE the engineers, after designing something like that once it was proven then costing asked why it cost so much and needed cutting back, often it ended in something breaking/blowing up and going back to the original design and then the cost reduced in body or trim, after all it’s better to have a seat collapse after 100K miles than an engine blow up!

I don’t know the ins and outs of that particular engine but it is entirely possible the design was outsourced. Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

IanMetro wrote:

Thank you Sperly, a very interesting read.

Launching products too early, to meet Management Promises and Plans, occurs in most firms.

It seems they had not realised the limitations of using the existing chassis platform with the new engine (and probably newly tightened emissions figures), what surprises me, and worries me, is that even the latest updated (modified platform) DS and Evoque have still basically same Exhaust / DPF design with it's inherent faults.

I think that JLR were wrong to do quick software fixes to mask the problem, they should have stuck to the original oil dilution specification and engineered their way forward.