EYorkshire said "roundabouts with sponsored signs for council revenue".

Interesting fact: Council highways departments have delegated authority to do any road works (to a limit!) they want without the need to gain planning permission. Although this does not stretch to the erection of advertising signs.

So in the vast majority of cases I would guess Councils have not got planning permission for the adverts on the roundabouts thereby breaking planning law. And as such could be open to huge fines.

But please don't blame me if you have an accident looking at a roundabout advert sign wondering if had planning permission.

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simont wrote:

But please don't blame me if you have an accident looking at a roundabout advert sign wondering if had planning permission.

Nah, not me, that's a matter for the police  Brian

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simont wrote:

But please don't blame me if you have an accident looking at a roundabout advert sign wondering if had planning permission.

I won't, I'm only human after all

First of all i said like hands free, what i use at work is a Radio which is NOT illegal to use while driving, It is not a Mobile phone. I have a little toggle switch which i can activate with my left hand, without taking my hand of the wheel. Second i don't have a conversation on the radio, my communications last between a one second reply and a few seconds, So no that does not distract me.
S**t does not just happen on the road, I have NEVER been to any Road Traffic collision fatal or not that was not human error.
Like i said before you driver the vehicle you make the choice on how you drive it, but don't moan when you get stopped for doing something wrong. And i hope you are never involved in a Fatal RTC, to find out what total devastation that causes.
Some one told me a saying a while back which i thing is very true " you can tell a man hes got an ugly wife but you cant tell him hes a bad driver"
Boxer your watching to much TV those programs are s**t and not what the job is like at all.

simont wrote:

EYorkshire said "roundabouts with sponsored signs for council revenue".

Interesting fact: Council highways departments have delegated authority to do any road works (to a limit!) they want without the need to gain planning permission. Although this does not stretch to the erection of advertising signs.

So in the vast majority of cases I would guess Councils have not got planning permission for the adverts on the roundabouts thereby breaking planning law. And as such could be open to huge fines.

But please don't blame me if you have an accident looking at a roundabout advert sign wondering if had planning permission.

I know somebody who put advert on a roundabout, he saw the council ones, Obviously or stupidly never thought the council had actually put it there and thought to himself, what a good idea, if that company can then so can I, got his sign made and banged it in to the roundabout one morning on his way to work

you've guess it got the council round and fined (on what grounds i'm not sure)  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

^ classic

When I stopped to read them the other day I couldn't believe the verbal abuse and threatening behaviour I was getting from other motorists negotiating the roundabout.

There were no yellow lines and put there for me to read, weren't they

Boxer wrote:

Got to say in my opinion its nothing to do with safety, and all to do with revenue.
The technology exsists to enforce speed on cars, even variable if required, but then there would be no fines.

Was this not being on trial in Leeds a few years ago, I'm sure I heard about it but never what happened about it.

On the speed awareness course I went on they asked all of us why we were speeding, most of the females said it was because they felt they were being pushed along with beg 4x4 drivers, later we were all asked what speeds we were doing by a show of hands, most drivers were around 10 to 15 over the speed limit including the females who the one lowest one was 8mph over, there were only two of us on the course that drove a four wheel drive, me and a guy with an RRS he was done for 35 in a 30 and me for 34 in a 30, we were the two lowest exceeders of the limit.

What me off is the constant lowering of speed limits that seem to have little regard for safety but just to get the revenue, years ago the A102M of which most of is three lanes was 60mph, the downgraded it to the A102 lowered the speed limit to 40 and put up a few cameras, now the same has or is happening to The Westway, it is three lane section which was the A40M and had a 60 limit on it, it was downgraded to an A Road a few years back and made a 50 and now it is going down to 30, It is an elevated section with three lanes eastbound and three lanes westbound along with a hard shoulder, concrete walls and a centre reserve  p****d off with a Digital Keyboard Warrior

I personally am enraged with those driving at 15 or 20 miles an hour in a 30 miles an hour zone. It drives me mad. Breaking every time the road is not a perfect straight, as if their car is going to spin out of control if they maintain their speed. These are most often people in Nissan micras, kias, daewoos, rovers and the rest of the domestic appliances they think are cars.

When I drive I NEVER break, unless there is an emergency. I keep my eyes on the road, and constantly 'read' the conditions, trying to anticipate what is going to happen next. It is called hypermiling and it can be very economical. It is also safer, as it helps you maintain a steady speed, you do not have to accelerate or break, and it keeps you focused on the road, other people's driving in front of you, and the conditions ahead.

I have no problem with speed cameras (my cars have GPS information on where the cameras are), I have a HUGE problem with those who go over the speed limit and just when they see the camera they break like hell! This is dangerous. I NEVER knowingly speed over the limit, especially in populated areas when I deem it is going to put me or others in danger. Yes, I do have my judgement and I use it. I have been trained to drive, and do it well (the fact that I have a racing licence is irrelevant to that, I could hold a normal licence, I would still say the same) because I pay attention on the road and I drive according to the conditions.

I also believe that speed limits are not effective, as modern cars are capable of breaking, cornering and accelerating amazingly well. It is down to the person behind the wheel, and how responsible they are. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who I believe are INCAPABLE of driving, the reason being their age (what is the deal in this country with 90 year old people driving? What sort of eye sight, concentration, reflex and reaction times are they expected to have? ) their attitude (they treat the road as if it is a race track) or plain lack of intellect. I know my remark might sound ageist, elitist or what have you, but this is the truth. Some people drive better than others. I strongly advocate retests every five years or so for ALL drivers, no matter how experienced, responsible or good you think you might be.

Speed does not kill. People who cannot control their car and push it beyond what is physically possible given the road conditions kill.

Sorry for the long post.

psyxologos wrote:

I personally am enraged with those driving at 15 or 20 miles an hour in a 30 miles an hour zone. It drives me mad. Breaking every time the road is not a perfect straight, as if their car is going to spin out of control if they maintain their speed. These are most often people in Nissan micras, kias, daewoos, rovers and the rest of the domestic appliances they think are cars.

When I drive I NEVER break, unless there is an emergency. I keep my eyes on the road, and constantly 'read' the conditions, trying to anticipate what is going to happen next. It is called hypermiling and it can be very economical. It is also safer, as it helps you maintain a steady speed, you do not have to accelerate or break, and it keeps you focused on the road, other people's driving in front of you, and the conditions ahead.

I have no problem with speed cameras (my cars have GPS information on where the cameras are), I have a HUGE problem with those who go over the speed limit and just when they see the camera they break like hell! This is dangerous. I admit occasional speeds over the limit, but as a rule these are never in populated areas and NEVER when I deem it is going to put me or others in danger. Yes, I do have my judgement and I use it. I have been trained to drive, and do it well (the fact that I have a racing licence is irrelevant to that, I could hold a normal licence, I would still say the same) because I pay attention on the road and I drive according to the conditions.

I also believe that speed limits are not effective, as modern cars are capable of breaking, cornering and accelerating amazingly well. It is down to the person behind the wheel, and how responsible they are. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who I believe are INCAPABLE of driving, the reason being their age (what is the deal in this country with 90 year old people driving? What sort of eye sight, concentration, reflex and reaction times are they expected to have? ) their attitude (they treat the road as if it is a race track) or plain lack of intellect. I know my remark might sound ageist, elitist or what have you, but this is the truth. Some people drive better than others. I strongly advocate retests every five years or so for ALL drivers, no matter how experienced, responsible or good you think you might be.

Speed does not kill. People who cannot control their car and push it beyond what is physically possible given the road conditions kill.

Sorry for the long post.

The Westway 30 is a temp limit being put in place for roadworks. As the road is now lacking correct signs some argue the actual limit is now 70, not that I would risk it!
BTW I am constantly amused by the high number of drivers on this site who profess to be near perfect....... Upgraded to an ex demo, 7 mth old, Rimini Red/Ebony Napoli Auto HSE on 28th Jan 2011, added roof rails, mudflaps and side strips.
Gone - A great 57 Plate, Auto SE, Bought Feb 2009, Roof Rails and Mudflaps added on purchase. Blue colour, anything but drug dealer black.....

julytourist wrote:

BTW I am constantly amused by the high number of drivers on this site who profess to be near perfect.......

EYorkshire wrote:

julytourist wrote:

BTW I am constantly amused by the high number of drivers on this site who profess to be near perfect.......

Me too, I am human and throughout my life mistakes have been made, I have corrected them where possible and endeavoured not to repeat them but I draw the line at a perfection implant, which some have obviously had done.

I had it done, but my body rejected it.  Don't put petrol in a diesel. They don't run well.

i never say that i am right, just that you lot are wrong  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Captain Worm wrote:

psyxologos wrote:

I personally am enraged with those driving at 15 or 20 miles an hour in a 30 miles an hour zone. It drives me mad. Breaking every time the road is not a perfect straight, as if their car is going to spin out of control if they maintain their speed. These are most often people in Nissan micras, kias, daewoos, rovers and the rest of the domestic appliances they think are cars.

When I drive I NEVER break, unless there is an emergency. I keep my eyes on the road, and constantly 'read' the conditions, trying to anticipate what is going to happen next. It is called hypermiling and it can be very economical. It is also safer, as it helps you maintain a steady speed, you do not have to accelerate or break, and it keeps you focused on the road, other people's driving in front of you, and the conditions ahead.

I have no problem with speed cameras (my cars have GPS information on where the cameras are), I have a HUGE problem with those who go over the speed limit and just when they see the camera they break like hell! This is dangerous. I admit occasional speeds over the limit, but as a rule these are never in populated areas and NEVER when I deem it is going to put me or others in danger. Yes, I do have my judgement and I use it. I have been trained to drive, and do it well (the fact that I have a racing licence is irrelevant to that, I could hold a normal licence, I would still say the same) because I pay attention on the road and I drive according to the conditions.

I also believe that speed limits are not effective, as modern cars are capable of breaking, cornering and accelerating amazingly well. It is down to the person behind the wheel, and how responsible they are. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who I believe are INCAPABLE of driving, the reason being their age (what is the deal in this country with 90 year old people driving? What sort of eye sight, concentration, reflex and reaction times are they expected to have? ) their attitude (they treat the road as if it is a race track) or plain lack of intellect. I know my remark might sound ageist, elitist or what have you, but this is the truth. Some people drive better than others. I strongly advocate retests every five years or so for ALL drivers, no matter how experienced, responsible or good you think you might be.

Speed does not kill. People who cannot control their car and push it beyond what is physically possible given the road conditions kill.

Sorry for the long post.

Psyxologos, I agree with almost everything you said, right up to the point where you said you do 30 in a 30 and stick at it. If you had said this about A roads with a 50 / 60 mph speed limit or even roads with a 40 speed limit then I'd be with you all away, however in my opinion 30 mph in 30 zone limit is often too fast.

Thw whole point of a 30 zone is that it is residential which means that there are all sorts of hazards lurking around that not even superman with x ray specs can see and for that reason a lone you should drive with caution. I'm not saying do not drive up-to the speed allowable by the conditions, but driving just 30 in a 30 no slower / no faster is stupid.

I live on a road with a 30mph speed limit, there is a school not 100yards down the road, a lot of people have pet cats / dogs (me included, almost all the houses have children who scoot around (sometimes fall off into the road), there are parked cars that you cannot see behind, bends that dissapear into the distance which again you cannot see beyond and many other hazards which I think means that the road should be a 20. However the council actually said that the average speed down the road is less than 26 or something which means it does not warant a 20mph zone. This does not excuse the fact that people still do 30mph (which is far to fast) because they can legally and yet still my cat got squashed dead, i nearly lost my head washing the car and the kids have nearly got run over on more than 1 occasion when trying to cross the road.

Oh and just because you have a racing licence does not mean you can drive on the road... in fact a lot of racing drivers have poor road craft skills.

In summary, I'm all for driving up-to and sometimes beyond the speed limit where conditions allow, and it anoys the hell out of me when you get people doing 40 in a 60 and then sticking at 40 when it turns to a 30 through a village (these people oaght to be shot, maimed or at the leasted nicked) and I am all up for increasing the speed limits of good quality roads, however I think you have to accept that a 30mph speed limit is there for a reason and I also think that we should encourage more 20mph zones.

Rant Over! and sorry if I have offened anyone.

A Drivers Licence is NOT a right, it is a privilige. Personally, the more draconian the punishment, the better the compliance with the road traffic laws.

Yes to yearly tests for everyone, yes to instant disqualification for careless or reckless driving and other offences, yes to confiscation of a vehicle as we have now, but widen the powers to cover more offences. Unfortunately, it's the only way you are ever going to get a reduction in RTC and injuries.

A ponit of interest, but every fatal road accident cost the state a minimum of a million quid all told, including public services, forgetting the grief and personal tragedy for a moment. A sobering thourght so those of us that consider we could never kill anyone else by speed or carelessness.