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npinks



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Shotguns....

My brother has done a few pest control mornings with his father in law shooting a few pigeons and just done a day on the clay pigeons.

He now has the bug, and wants to apply for a license and get a shotgun himself

What advice of gun can the forum collective give, his seen a second hand Beretta for £750, whether he gets that or something else I don't know, but it's something I have pondered on trying out myself so thought I would ask for a little off topic advice, so I can advise him Very Happy Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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Any good over & under shotgun would be my preference, with single selective trigger (You can choose which barrel fires first top or bottom) and cartridge ejectors.
Would be best to try as many shotguns as he can, drop in to the local gun shop and have chat and pick their brains as theirs different of types gun for depending what your shooting at, clay, game birds etc.
Warning it can become very expensive once the bug bites, unfortunately I let my licence run out as time and job left no time for shooting, that was a few years ago though and have been thinking of starting again.

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You need a farmer (or two) with plenty of land to give permission to shoot, otherwise you will struggle to get a license.

also the patience of a saint as everytime you shoot at a pigeon the whole flock Censored off and doesn't come back for ages. At work
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When your brother gets his weapon of choice tell him to come and practice shooting the pigeons around where I live.... B Censored D vermin holding flying rats they are.....keep sharting on my car too Evil or Very Mad

(An Oozie seems to fit the bill for a novice as there's a very good chance that your going to hit everything even without aiming Thumbs Up )

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Any pump action style shotgun with 12 gauge ammunition.
The shotguns are reliable and the cartridges are easy to find, cheap and varies from pigeons to boars types.
For example the child of Winchester Model 1897, the Mossberg 500. Laughing


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thats wahy i started shooting at those clay ones, they just keep flying past, Know wht you mean nevr could take to pigeon shooting, whaching paint dry is better in my opinon

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His father in law has the approval from a farmer to shoot on his land, I guess they will try to get approval from Him to allow bros. To shoot on his land also

Only ever shot handguns myself, but fancy giving it a go at somepoint

How do guns go, the one he has seen, as saud was offered at something like £750, but I'm sure he said it's about 15 year old, seems a hell of a lot for such an old gun, especially when just starting Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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if he just whants to see how it gose i would spend between £450 - £500 on one, price wise it can go up to thousands even hundresd of thousand for Purdy's and Holland & Holland

I did say it could get expensvie Laughing

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I suppose it's what he can afford and wants to spend as I said to the wife earlier, if he can afford £800 TV speaker, he can afford a £750 gun, to which she said I wasn't getting either Evil or Very Mad

I will pick him up a FFRR vogue SE brouchure to go with the tweed jacket I'll buy him for his birthday Rolling with laughter Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter

When i did the FFRR day at Harewood House last year, there was quite a lot of tweed walking about, and you could have had your guns valued

Your brother might like this if he lives in the same area as you

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http://www.hdfairs.co.uk/game_fair_default.html

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I'll let him know Thumbs Up Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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I have a SGC. 50 quid for the grant, 45 for the renewal every 5 years. You can hold as many weapons on it as you want, although all have to be listed. You'll get a licence without land if you belong to an official Gun Club. you'll also need a decent gun cabinet, like a Brattonsound, they dont come cheap. Have a look at a few Gun Dealers and gauge the prices. I think someone is trying to rip the old fella off. No way should a novice be spending that! you'll also need a couple of referees for the application and have to sign a bit so they can approach the Doctor re your sutiability. Of course, the form asks if you have been known by any other name, so you'll have to admit Pinkie I am afraid! That will go down well with the boys in blue.

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chicken george wrote:
You need a farmer (or two) with plenty of land to give permission to shoot,

CG - Not true. It is every British persons right to own a shotgun providing you do not have a criminal record. My first application interview the question was asked where i'd be using it and i state, 'On Clays' in my local club. That was that - no checking. On my firearms interview i had to provide letters of permission, maps, and show good knowledge of ballistics and have reason for NEEDING each calibre requested. To possess a firearm if very different to possessing a shotgun

I now use it for rough shooting and clays. You can discharge a firearm/shotgun providing you are 50 feet from the centre of a public highway and shoot in the direction that has safe distance/backstop e.g. 300 metres for a shotgun.

A friend of mine has just caught the bug and is in the same predicament. My advice to him is the same as given here. Go for a secondhand one if its your first shotgun. Try as many as you can get you 'mits on'. If you go to decent clay ground who sell shotguns there will be a vast assortment of second hand ones that can be tried to ensure the fit is right Kelbrook Shooting School is one www.kelbrookshootingschool.co.uk .

The key is Fit, Fit, Fit, Fit did i say FIT!!!! Try as many as possible.

A secondhand Browning, Beretta or other 'classics' are rarely going to lose any money as gun prices keep going up. Therefore if you do buy a 'wrong-un' you wont be loosing too much money in the change over.

I own a Browning Cynergy Pro Sport and a Beretta 682 Gold E. I shoot better with the Browning but prefer the balance of point-ability of the Beretta. Therefore my Browning is up for sale soon as the beretta is more versatile to my needs. I may sell both and buy a SV10???

Best of luck,

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You also need to consider what you'll be using the gun for, Sporting, Trap, Skeet or Game. You can buy different styles but essentially the weight varies between guns for clays and for game (game being lighter as you're carrying for longer).

Did i mention FIT Smile

The most popular barrel length is 30 inches and will be readily available in most stockists.

Have a look on www.guntrader.co.uk for prices to ensure you dont get ripped off. The site has an excellent search filter which will allow you to set a budget, barrel lengths, condition etc.
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