thanks for your thoughts on this Y-F

does the brussells thing get published on a website? Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Yamaha fan, have you checked my link to see the oil i used ? Don't put petrol in a diesel. They don't run well.

Yes, npinks, it does get published. But such protocolls are not meant for public viewing. Only insiders and authorised lawyers may read such protcolls. I am not permitted to cite or to repeat the exact wording of such protocolls, but I am permitted to talk about its contents, if not marked as confident.

Boxer, the type of motor oil you may have put into your diesel tank is quite irrelevant. So I do not bother with your link.

YF

In few days I will get my hands on my new FR2 diesel from a dealer in Dresden. So, I was very interested in the thread about adding T2 oil to diesel. The technical knowledge exposed by Ms Yamaha Fan sounds very convincing and the user feed back is good, so I am going to try it out right from the beginning. In particular, because I will got a car with PDF.
But I would like to ask, how adding of T2 oil would affect the fuel characteristics and engine at sub zero temperatures and how about adding so called 'anti-gel' additives preventing diesel parafynation. Does anybody know, if it would be ok to add T2 oil and 'ant-gel' simultaneously, or choose just 'anti-gel'? Many thanx!

Hi All

I made contact with UK Customs regarding this today. I was informed that if i was to use this, even if i was to pay the FULL DUTY on the fuel and the 2T oil, i may still not be paying the full duty on the oil as it was not intended as a fuel additive. Thus breaking the law. They are looking into this and will come back.  08 FL2 SE TD4 manual,Santorini Black, Factory fitted Black Tinted Glass, Anti-Tesco Trolly Side Protection, bebe confort axiss carseats & Cargo barrier to stop twin's buggy & junk coming through. NO Sweets Crisps or Drinks inside.
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I don't know the fine detail of this, but when I had my first diesel engine and it was a common rail, once the car was over the warranty, we would get the car serviced by a motor engineer, you know the ones, they actuatlly know how engines work and can fix them!! Anyway. I had put some oil in the car, thinking that it had run out. He showed me that I had overfilled and in a Diesel engine this was a big no no as the engines, once hot can draw the excess oil from the sump and run on that (flat out!) Now I don't know if that was a pre common rail engine or not but I think that a little oil will not make any difference. Hi Darling, I'll be home in 10 mins. If I'm not back, please read this message again...

The customs guy seamed to indicate that if i was stopped and dipped, i could still be breaking the law.

Why if i buy my fuel at full price, and buy the 2T oil in the shops, can i still be breaking the law by not paying full duty  08 FL2 SE TD4 manual,Santorini Black, Factory fitted Black Tinted Glass, Anti-Tesco Trolly Side Protection, bebe confort axiss carseats & Cargo barrier to stop twin's buggy & junk coming through. NO Sweets Crisps or Drinks inside.
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Yamaha fan many thanks for the advice, I've been reading your posts for the last few weeks. I've been adding 2 stroke semi synthetic oil for 3 weeks now, I do over 1000 miles a week in a Mondeo TDCI I have noticed a great improvement in acceleration, fuel consumption and reduced engine noise. I have recomended this to all my workmates who have started using 2 stroke ss Oil.

Many thanks

Nidge.

Alona wrote:

The customs guy seamed to indicate that if i was stopped and dipped, i could still be breaking the law.

Why if i buy my fuel at full price, and buy the 2T oil in the shops, can i still be breaking the law by not paying full duty

Nidge wrote:

Alona wrote:

The customs guy seamed to indicate that if i was stopped and dipped, i could still be breaking the law.

Why if i buy my fuel at full price, and buy the 2T oil in the shops, can i still be breaking the law by not paying full duty

Can't see how the Customs can do anything?? The duty has been paid on the fuel and the oil your just adding a additive to the diesel that's all

I'm a Taxi driver and do 1000 miles a week, if I can get hold of anything that will make my car run better and give me a good fuel return I'll use it, this adding 2 stroke oil to diesel is working for me and IMO it's legal to do so.

Well got back in contact with customs today. This has been moved up the chain for further guidelines.

If your stopped at the moment by the police and customs, how can you at the side of the road fight your case? They will remove your motor untill they run tests to find out if its red diesel due to low duty on that type of fuel, or red due to the fact that the 2T oil used may have been dyed.

This is what i'm asking. I would like to use it also, but not if the motor is removed from me.

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I have been using it now for 4 full tanks on my freelander 2, and for 3 full tanks on my FFRR Td6, and I can say that I´ve really seen a difference. You can feel it when you rev the engine, it starts more quickly, less exhaust fumes (no more black or gray smoke), better economy, even when idling on a light you can feel the engine running smoother. I am also telling my friends who have diesels to start using it. 2008 Freelander 2 Td4 HSE Buckingham Blue
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Alona, sorry to say this, but your customs queries are bullshit!!!

YF

I agree with you yamaha fan.

I cant figure out what they are thinking. But what we think is commonsense doesn't always work. Its like i said before. If i pay full duty on the fuel, and the full cost of the 2T oil from the shops, how I'm i doing wrong?

But if the 2T oil dyes the fuel red, due to 2T oil that i can find being that colour, then if I'm stopped the customs say I'm in the wrong as they think its red diesel.

Someone on here must know the ins and outs of UK and European duty laws.

Alona[/i] 08 FL2 SE TD4 manual,Santorini Black, Factory fitted Black Tinted Glass, Anti-Tesco Trolly Side Protection, bebe confort axiss carseats & Cargo barrier to stop twin's buggy & junk coming through. NO Sweets Crisps or Drinks inside.
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330 milli litre of 2-T oil added to 60 litre of diesel fuel will not colour the diesel red. Besides this, the red colour of tax free or tax reduced diesel has a totally different chemical consistence as the red colour of 2-T oil.
To avoid all doubts just keep your cash receipt from your last petrol station and you will be on the safe side.

YF

I am still interested in, how adding 2-stroke oil would affect the viscosity of the diesel at winter temperatures. Is there any risk that pouring oil into tank would hamper the flow of diesel? Or is it better to take other additives in the winter instead of oil , e.g. castrol TDA etc.? Thanks