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Dartman the one



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At a rated 225miles on a full charge 90miles is somewhat less than half its non towing range, I only quoted 1600kg van as that was the size of the van the guy was towing, also most 1600kg vans seem to be about the same frontal area, length and height.
Whilst I respect your enthusiasm for EV's I'm afraid if I still resided in Scotland it is not the vehicle I would have chosen to travel on my annual pilgrimage to the south of France, but also due to Brexit the collection of 240litres of wine is also not as lucrative as it used to be. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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jules



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Ive not yet seen a public charger at a serttvice station that could accept a towing BEV without causing a major obstruction.

At the moment I you would have to park the caravan somewhere, unhitch and go get recharged then hitch back up. Jules

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Just a driver



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Un hooking a caravan at a service station and driving away. Would it still be there when the car returns ? Some how I don’t think so

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Mowog



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Well, let’s just face facts.
Now is not the time to get an EV.

In my case, if I could find a car that suits my needs exactly and it was powered by battery and
didnt cost more to buy outright than my existing car then..I WOULD LOVE TO BUY IT

If I could only find a way to charge it at home only.

I suppose in time it may happen.
Milk floats didn’t have a very long range,our milkman has a diesel now Rolling with laughter

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Kot



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There has been a notable increase in EV's being stolen its just the beginning

https://www.hiltoncarsupermarket.co.uk/blo...incidents.

Also Hertz dumping their ev's wonder how that will effect the 2nd and market with a flood of cars coming soon.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/27611976/h...trol-cars/

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Nodge68



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jules wrote:
Ive not yet seen a public charger at a serttvice station that could accept a towing BEV without causing a major obstruction.

At the moment I you would have to park the caravan somewhere, unhitch and go get recharged then hitch back up.


This is definitely an issue, which I'm sure will be resolved before the complete ban on ICE vehicles. However it's only a small problem, as less than 5% of drivers ever tow a trailer. It still needs sorting though, especially as range when towing is much reduced. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Mowog



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The ban is on the sale of new ice cars in 2035? Is it not?
not a complete ban on ice vehicles

One other important point
How many people in uk live in terraced houses?
How do they home charge?

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Nodge68



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Kot wrote:
There has been a notable increase in EV's being stolen its just the beginning

https://www.hiltoncarsupermarket.co.uk/blo...incidents.


The Ioniq 5 figures here are very misleading, but it is a concern that thefts of the Ioniq 5 are increasing. Big Cry

I'll be using an additional mechanical steering lock when parking in high risk locations. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Nodge68



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Mowog wrote:
Well, let’s just face facts.
Now is not the time to get an EV.

In my case, if I could find a car that suits my needs exactly and it was powered by battery and
didnt cost more to buy outright than my existing car then..I WOULD LOVE TO BUY IT

If I could only find a way to charge it at home only.

I suppose in time it may happen.
Milk floats didn’t have a very long range,our milkman has a diesel now Rolling with laughter

EVs won't work for everyone at the moment.
If you don't have access to home charging on an EV tariff, then an EV isn't going to work for you, at least not are far as cost per mile goes. Obviously servicing and maintenance costs are reduced, but those are generally pretty reasonable for an ICE car in the first 3 years anyway. Once over 3 years ICE car maintenance costs generally start to increase, increasing the cost of ownership above that of an EV. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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Perhaps there should be a national scheme that loaned an EV vehicle to all car owners for a week.

This could be rolled out gradually and would enable us all to see the realities of charging, range, and other worries.

Maybe this is where they should have spent the initial money, instead of subsidising the new EV Car cost.

Changing cars is an expensive business (and investment) which most of us cannot afford to make many mistakes.

PS - when I was about 5 years old, I thought that driving the Coop Milk-float would be an idea job. The electric vehicle seemed to be so quiet and effortless. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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Just a driver



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Used to see old electric milk floats at camp sites for carrying the laundry and garden stuff

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Mowog



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The Mini is going in for work for one day tomorrow

I AM GETTING AN ELECTRIC MINI COURTESY CAR FOR THE DAY

YIPEE……. Bow down Bow down

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IanMetro



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I had an Jaguar I-Pace for a day as a courtesy car a couple of years ago. It came fully charged so I did not have a chance to experience either charging from home or public charger, also as it was a (nice) surprise I did not have a chance to gen up on its controls or capabilities.

I tried asking the Dealer Business Manager to get me a DS PHEV for my upcoming FL2 Service, but was told it was not possible. I have been offered an Accompanied Test Drive, which I will accept, but I feel that they have missed the point that I would value a longer experience to help overcome the fears of running a new breed of vehicle.

I do not think that I am alone in these 'fears' and it may explain the common reluctance to buy into the Electric Revolution. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Kot



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IanMetro wrote:
Perhaps there should be a national scheme that loaned an EV vehicle to all car owners for a week.

This could be rolled out gradually and would enable us all to see the realities of charging, range, and other worries.

Maybe this is where they should have spent the initial money, instead of subsidising the new EV Car cost.

Changing cars is an expensive business (and investment) which most of us cannot afford to make many mistakes.

PS - when I was about 5 years old, I thought that driving the Coop Milk-float would be an idea job. The electric vehicle seemed to be so quiet and effortless.


Will they install and loan an ev charger as well Whistle

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Mowog



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I ask the question..
Why should I buy an electric car?

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