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dondiddy Member Since: 16 Apr 2017 Location: Hamilton Posts: 753 |
Sadly for me if I was to make a list of enjoyable things to spend my money on home insulation wouldn`t make the cut I think! |
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26th Apr 2023 10:45 am |
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Just a driver Member Since: 29 Nov 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 419 |
I must admit I am with you there and getting less time to spend it. Haha |
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26th Apr 2023 12:39 pm |
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ozjeff62 Member Since: 28 May 2018 Location: Sydney, NSW Posts: 494 |
Hm, my return on my coal fired power station is ... oh hang on, I don't have one. So the money only flows one way with my electricity.
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30th Apr 2023 7:34 am |
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AT1963 Member Since: 23 Nov 2021 Location: Leicester Posts: 252 |
Doesn't it take about 5 years for an EV to break even with regards to co2. So at least with solar power in your home you will continue to benefit once you break even but how many of you will keep an EV for over 5 years?? |
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30th Apr 2023 5:42 pm |
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Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082 |
Most new EVs break even on CO2 emissions after about 50k miles, so slightly more, some slightly less. After this the only CO2 emissions are from the electricity that goes into them. If only wind or solar power is used for charging, an EV is basically emission free.
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30th Apr 2023 8:36 pm |
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AT1963 Member Since: 23 Nov 2021 Location: Leicester Posts: 252 |
The only issue i was trying to make was that many owners of EVs will not keep the car for long tern so if they (the buyer) thinks they are contributing to emission free motoring by buying one brand new they will not until the car gets to 50k or 5 years so they then buy another and continue the cycle of never getting to this point in time whereby it becomes emission free!
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2nd May 2023 3:04 pm |
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Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082 |
I see your point, and yes the first owner may believe they are saving the planet more than they actually are. However as an ICE vehicle emits CO2 from the moment it leaves the factory, but a BEV doesn't, the 1st owner is still reducing emissions, and definitely improving air quality in the area they drive it. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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2nd May 2023 4:40 pm |
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jules Member Since: 13 Dec 2007 Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire Posts: 5022 |
Although I have reservations about BEVs and the practicality from my personal point of view, I do look forward to a car without a PDF or EGR. Jules |
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3rd May 2023 8:10 am |
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Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082 |
Or oil changes, timing belts, fuel filters, air filters, glow plugs and so on. A BEV has minimal maintenance compared to an ICE vehicle, which is one reason they cost more up front compared to an ICE vehicle. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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3rd May 2023 4:07 pm |
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IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3134 |
Surely the main reason that they cost more, is the cost of the battery.
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3rd May 2023 9:01 pm |
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NoDo$h Member Since: 27 May 2008 Location: fings go booooom. Posts: 490 |
Right now we (FL2 owners, ignoring any other vehicles we may have) are not the target audience for BEV manufacturers. We are driving cars that are 10-15 years old, so typically the economics of buying any new car will weigh heavy in the equation. I say typically because I know many of us have the funds - but there is a reason we're driving around in older cars and not having the desire for the latest new shiny on the drive could well be part of it, or we have greater priorities elsewhere.
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4th May 2023 8:56 am |
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Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2082 |
Currently BEV battery cells are costing under $130 per kWhr to manufacture, so at those manufacturing costs a battery definitely isn't the most expensive part to make. It's low volume manufacture of the whole vehicle that is keeping the costs high, along with manufacturers having to develop whole new vehicles from scratch, which isn't something that happens in legacy brands. In real terms a BEV should be less expensive than an ICE, simply because the mechanicals cost much less to manufacture. However manufacturers are currently pitching them as a luxury must have, rather than gearing up to selling them to the masses, and pricing them accordingly. Tesla are making about $10k per vehicle they sell, which is more than any mass production ICE vehicle, so it shows that the vehicles can be made with good profits, dispite what legacy brands might say. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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4th May 2023 5:18 pm |
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Just a driver Member Since: 29 Nov 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 419 |
About sums it up, if someone has a spare 40k in their back pocket then they sure would not be messing around with a 15 year old motor of any make, unless it’s just a Sunday afternoon tea room motor. |
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4th May 2023 8:16 pm |
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IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3134 |
It would seem the Government may be (at last) riding to the rescue.
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17th May 2023 6:50 pm |
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