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NoDo$h



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It will need more than that

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/...t-uk-plant

No amount of additional funding detracts from the origin of components rules that simply cannot be met in the timeframe mandated by our lords and masters. Current driveway contents:
2021 V60 Cross Country B5
2009 FL2 dog bus and shooting wagon

On Order: 2023 Fisker Ocean Ultra - deposit paid.

Post #432552 18th May 2023 7:08 am
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jules



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ozjeff62 wrote:

Censored the planet I want cheap power for my automatic chip frier.


Plenty seem to agree

"Australian government approves first new coal mine since elected"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-65541621 Jules

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jules



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NoDo$h wrote:


Take the FL2 as an example. If you want something new that has SUV/Estate practicality, 4wd and 1800-2000kg of tow capacity you're looking at the best part of £40k for something like a Skoda Octavia.


Gosh my old Octavia Mk2 VRS Estate cost me £18k new !!
It was known as the "Tardis" for its ability to pack in so much stuff. Jules

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Just a driver



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I would bet that there is an awful lot of people who buy sub 5 grand motors and have absolutely no interest in cars whatsoever. The car to them is something to take them to work,shopping, kids taxis etc. They probably get the car mot done fix what it fails on and carry on for another year, if it’s a big fail then they might sell it and start again. I know on a car forum people would think that this is bad but it’s everyday reality. With this in mind I can not see them thinking of an EV anytime soon.

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Andy131



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The young lass from across the street came across to ask about a funny noise her car was making - alternator drive belt. I said that the tensioner / belt might need replacement and asked when it was due a service, apparently it had been MOTd a month or so ago. No when was it serviced, "oh I don't get it serviced - that's what the MOT is for".

Strangely enough it's not the first time I have heard this (not even the tenth time), there are a lot of drivers who think that the car is similar to a washing machine, put fuel in and run it. When it stops call a "man" in to fix it or throw it away. Maybe for them an electric car is a good idea, just charge it up, not a lot to service and throw it away when it breaks down. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

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Scrapyards are full of cars with broken timing belts, as well as those with never having an oil change, if the light comes on top it up, the cost of a timing belt replacement is often a third of the cost of a 10 year old car, you can get HP on a new car but £500 plus on a fitted replacement belt along with the rest of the service so either the chance is taken and it runs for a couple more years if the Credit Card is maxed out. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Nodge68



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Saying a timing belt on a 10 year old car will cost ⅓ of the value is a bit misleading. A timing belt change on a 10 year old Peugeot 207 may well be ⅓ the value of the vehicle, but the same couldn't be said for a 10 year old Audi A5 convertible for example, which is an easy job to do, and that vehicle is worth 6 x as much as the Peugeot. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
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Post #432565 18th May 2023 7:52 pm
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Andy131



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See I was thinking 5 year old Golf - engine eventually seized due to no oil changes.
5 year old Astra engine shot - not had an oil change for 3 years despite doing over 20,000 miles a year, owner thought that as she topped it up regularly that would suffice.
4 year old Audi A3 - not been back to garage since it needed an MOT - squealing belt.
6 year old KIA probably still in warranty, but not been to garage since first MOT, the owner actually thought that while it was in having a new front end the garage would have serviced it (for free!) - fuel filter strangling performance.

Hardly old cars not worth fixing, and these are the ones that come readily to mind Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

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Dartman the one



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Nodge68 wrote:
Saying a timing belt on a 10 year old car will cost ⅓ of the value is a bit misleading. A timing belt change on a 10 year old Peugeot 207 may well be ⅓ the value of the vehicle, but the same couldn't be said for a 10 year old Audi A5 convertible for example, which is an easy job to do, and that vehicle is worth 6 x as much as the Peugeot.

The cars in scrapyards with broken cambelts tend to be the Peugeot, Polo type cars not the Audi, Merc LR, so no, not misleading.
It may be easy to change a belt on an Audi A5, but the people that don't get the belts changed are the ones incapable of fixing anything on a car, even changing a wheel with a puncture, they don't even know what a jack looks like. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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jules



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Andy131 wrote:
See I was thinking 5 year old Golf - engine eventually seized due to no oil changes.
5 year old Astra engine shot - not had an oil change for 3 years despite doing over 20,000 miles a year, owner thought that as she topped it up regularly that would suffice.
4 year old Audi A3 - not been back to garage since it needed an MOT - squealing belt.
6 year old KIA probably still in warranty, but not been to garage since first MOT, the owner actually thought that while it was in having a new front end the garage would have serviced it (for free!) - fuel filter strangling performance.

Hardly old cars not worth fixing, and these are the ones that come readily to mind


Yeah , you only have to look at "Just rolled in" on youtube to realise the world is full of morons who drive cars and have no notion of personal safety or that of others.

&ab_channel=JustRolledIn

Thank goodness we have MOTs here in UK cos some of the cars are death traps and its really frightening to see what people think is a reasonable thing to do to a car. Jules

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Just a driver



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I don’t think it’s just not knowing about motors also not everyone has the same disposable income and is an Audi A5 in the sub 5 grand bracket I don’t know. They tend to buy something functional rather than flashy and probably wouldn’t own one at all if they didn’t have to.

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Nodge68



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[quote="Dartman the one"]

Nodge68 wrote:

It may be easy to change a belt on an Audi A5, but the people that don't get the belts changed are the ones incapable of fixing anything on a car, even changing a wheel with a puncture, they don't even know what a jack looks like.


There are always going to be people that don't think a car needs servicing, but this will hit them in the pocket when the vehicle fails.

These people would find an EV much more reliable, as there's no timing belts, oil changes, or anything else vital to simply ignore. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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Nodge68



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Just a driver wrote:
I don’t think it’s just not knowing about motors also not everyone has the same disposable income and is an Audi A5 in the sub 5 grand bracket I don’t know. They tend to buy something functional rather than flashy and probably wouldn’t own one at all if they didn’t have to.


My wife likes convertibles, so the choices of available vehicles are limited.
She currently has older A5 convertible, which I don't mind her having. Audis are good vehicles, well made and nice to work on, so are worth the extra money over something like a Vauxhall Cascada. I used the timing belt as an example because it's pretty straightforward on these vehicles, as the engine is in line, rather than the more usual transverse mount like a Freelander.
Which reminds me that the belt is due next year. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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IanMetro



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Re: NEW JLR BATTERY MEGAFACTORY (at last)

IanMetro wrote:
It would seem the Government may be (at last) riding to the rescue.

Jeremy Hunt has hinted that a deal could be imminent between the Government and Tata Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) over the development of a new battery factory in Somerset.

I think it is the new large industrial estate off M5 Jn23 called GRAVITY.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology...&ei=23

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somers...ds-4368240


I have just read that within the next couple of years ALL Evoque and Discovery Sports will be BEVs, on a new platform, and eventually using batteries from JLR (Tata) new European Magafactory (here in Somerset)

Before that a BEV Velar will be introduced on the same new chassis/architecture.

So, I guess we won't need to argue if ICE, PHEV, or BEV is best, there will be no choice.

Interestingly, I decided to put my toe in the water today about what can replace my faithful Metro.
The Volvo salesman questioned my wisdom of moving away from diesel (or petrol) because as a non business user I would never recover my extra buying costs.
True he may have had a lot of used ICE Volvos on his books, but I may have been convinced to keep my FL2 a bit longer. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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AT1963



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With regards to servicing or not as the case may be it probably wont get any better as with cost of life at present would likely mean prioritising other costs and the car may not be one of them Shocked

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