Nodge68 wrote:

High power charge stations often have several MW of on site battery storage, so peak demands on the grid are smoothed out. These batteries are charged by cheap night rate electricity, and many have on site or nearby solar too.

It's solvable now, so by 2030 charging facilities should be everywhere.

Again Saturdays Telegraph has done a piece on the longevity of batteries. Research has shown that high speed charging degrades the battery at a much higher rate than ordinary charging. Makes you wonder if the onset of high speed charging across the service station network will become a double edged sword.
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Yes, rapid charging once or twice every day (bare in mind that’ll be a vehicle doing 400-600 miles every day!) will degrade the batteries slightly more than rapid charging once or twice a week, but most people need only rapid charge on longer journeys and if your doing those you would buy a vehicle with a long range anyway. But even with rapid charging degradation it is still only a small amount compared to entire range, and as virtually every EV traction battery is covered with a 100K mile 8 year warranty for degradation obviously the manufacturers do not see it as a major issue, certainly in the EV forums it’s has not been an issue, the exception being the early Nissan Leaf which had temperature issues with rapid charging, but that just restricted the level of charge it could take.

If you believe every newspaper article you’d never go,out the house. Regards

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Just read an article from the Telegraph on EVs while looking for the article you read (searching for your article) and it states this

“ It’s worth remembering, too, that with heavy use, up and down hills, in cold weather, and with no pre-conditioning, an EV’s range can drop by as much as half, though that is probably a worst-case scenario”

That is absolute B0LL0X…..admittedly here it only gets to around a steady 3 or 4 degrees in winter but we never precondition (apart from the interior heater/AC) it always gets used quickly, because that’s the fun bit, it is extremely hilly here and we always run with everything a normal car would have on, auto lights, auto wipers, heating or AC etc etc, our range in Summer is between 120-130 miles, in the Winter it is 100-110 miles…….where is the half drop off?

Absolute crap, if it was that bad the forums would be full of complaints and people saying they are going back to ICE.

I won’t even bother looking for the rapid charging article, I can guarantee that’ll be a star piece of journalism as well.  Regards

David

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Maybe someone has looked at his iPhone and seen that it now has the option to charge hard to 80% and then trickle charge after that - to preserve battery life.

Put 2 and 2 together and get 3, iPhones and EVs both use lithium batteries (different chemistry - but lets not let facts get in the way of a good scare story), so if iPhone batteries life can be shortened by rapid charging to 100% then so must all EV batteries.

Now that's what I call good journalism, tenuous link and a scare factor.

Or you could monitor battery use / degradation on a huge sample of cars by fitting SIM cards and collecting the data "anonymously" I know what I would do if I was a car manufacturer.

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Whooa , I only posted as an item of interest. If you have Saturdays Telegraph it's in the motoring section page 22 to be precise. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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It’s happening again, comparing mobile phones batteries with EV batteries.

EVs have (virtually all, forget the LEAF) an extremely sophisticated BMS with liquid cooled and heated battery packs, I cannot remember the last time I had to top up my phone with water

Mind you, your not alone as even in the EV forums there is a strong belief that you should only charge to 80% and NEVER go below 20% for any length of time, what they fail to realise is the top and bottom buffers are already built into the battery packs and those can never be accessed anyway, they protect themselves.

But anyway, it’s raining here now. Regards

David

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Andy131 wrote:

Maybe someone has looked at his iPhone and seen that it now has the option to charge hard to 80% and then trickle charge after that - to preserve battery life.

Put 2 and 2 together and get 3,

Now that's what I call good journalism, tenuous link and a scare factor.

Or you could monitor battery use / degradation on a huge sample of cars by fitting SIM cards and collecting the data "anonymously" I know what I would do if I was a car manufacturer.

Exactly so, as we said in the Press (long, long time ago) never let the facts stand in the way of a good story  Regards

David

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There's loads of anti EV BS being spread about, the latest seems to be that tyres wear faster and pollute more, because EVs are heavier than an equivalent ICE vehicle, but has anyone bothered to check out just how heavy a modern ICE vehicle is?
Our Freelander 2s are over 1800kg, with an equivalent sized EV only a few % heavier, so most of this accelerated tyre wear is mostly rubbish, as many EV owners would confirm. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Nodge68 wrote:

There's loads of anti EV BS being spread about, the latest seems to be that tyres wear faster and pollute more, because EVs are heavier than an equivalent ICE vehicle, but has anyone bothered to check out just how heavy a modern ICE vehicle is?
Our Freelander 2s are over 1800kg, with an equivalent sized EV only a few % heavier, so most of this accelerated tyre wear is mostly rubbish, as many EV owners would confirm.

Our i3 is more or less the same weight as a Fiesta, the beauty of being made of aluminium and carbon fibre  Regards

David

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When I read about the huge BP profits this morning I did wonder if we might miss this opportunity to start to solve our EV charging problem.

Instead of clawing back some of this money in a windfall tax where it will, most likely, be lost or wasted, why don't we encourage these big oil firms to invest in providing a proper national charging infrastructure. These could be large, well lit, facilities with comfortable rest areas and spaced around the country on, or near, main roads.

It could be a joint venture with government, like say, HS2, and the companies and the taxpayer could benefit from future revenues.

It is not unknown for governments to help in this way, I believe that development Hydrogen power is being encouraged by PM Johnson already via the Bamford (JCB) family which includes some sort of hydrogen distribution network.

I believe that until EV charging becomes as reliable and available as filling up with petrol lots of people will be reluctant to leap into the (EV) unknown.

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Just a comment about Evs and tyre wear. My brother in law works for a care home and they have a a few Renault Zoe EV vans for delivering meals on wheels and care etc in the local area. They have noticed that they get through tyres very quickly compared with the older ICE vans. This might be caused by the faster acceleration but it's the same driivers. He also said that the earlier ones had a range of only about 90 miles but that the newer ones are nearer 200. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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Unfortunately a lot of EVs are fitted with "E" tyres from new which although have low rolling resistance because of their stiff construction (and very often they are manufactured with slightly less tread depth as that helps) they can wear (or appear to with less tread) at a greater rate than normal tyres, strange thing is I put normal Continental Ecocontact tyres on the i3 and the range decreased not one single mile! That may be just my style of driving or just luck, no idea but I do know they grip much better in the wet.

And I don't doubt the drivers of said vans are enjoying the immediate torque rather more than the slothful output before which doesn't help as you say.

If they drive anything like some of the carers around here they surely follow the Paddy Hopkirk (RIP) book of cornering.

Then again the Zoe is a bloated beast compared to its ICE counterpart. Regards

David

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A very interesting, if at times rather heated discussion on EV's. Thanks.

It seems to me (as a devoted diesel ICE driver) that EV's do have a few issues facing them as regards the 'great unwashed' AKA Joe Public:

Firstly is the easy availability of a sensible charging setup, both at home and en route.

Secondly is the high price of the present offerings - especially the attractive and/or practical ones.

Thirdly is the future availability of 'leccy'. With our current (sorry!) leaders and their 'policies' there won't be enough to supply a large and growing national fleet of EV's.

Fourthly - and the real elephant-in-the-room, the inevitability of the introduction of charging for road usage by the mile by our leaders needing to replace vehicle fuel duty - on which they are now completely hooked.

Just sayin'
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