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Rommel

Member Since: 20 Aug 2017
Location: Sandhurst Berkshire
Posts: 641

2013 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Fuji White

No there all mine ! Except the Disco thats next doors. Might be selling the FL2 though now retired its not getting used, 2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
Nagging Old Boiler.

Mahatma Gandhi said if there is an Idiot in power those who elected him are well represented

13th Jan 2022 5:35 pm

Boxbrownie

Member Since: 17 Mar 2019
Location: Looe
Posts: 2053

2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Andy131 wrote:

A car is not merely a means of transport, it is an art form, it is a sanctuary, it is a soundtrack for the soul - possibly biased.

And you drive a Disco Sport?

I thought you might have a Bugatti Royale?

Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

13th Jan 2022 5:41 pm

BossBob

Member Since: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Bristol
Posts: 1391

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

Rommel wrote:
Seven yrs ago I invested in a Solar panel array 14 panels these are conected to a I boost which heats the water in the cylinder via the emmersion heater few hours of sun and we have a tank of hot water most other things on in the house fridge freezer Etc are also being powered by the Solar panels, whilst the sun is out I am using almost ZERO electric off the grid what I dont use gets fed back in and I get about £700 a year back from the energy Co.

In the evenings during winter I get the Wood burner going so dont have the heating on either, wood is renewable energy as is the Sun.

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You need to get a battery to charge to power the house during the dark hours, why not a mobile battery, otherwise known as an EV. Way better to use your own stored power than have to buy any from the grid. They’ll always charge you more than they’ll pay you per unit.

13th Jan 2022 8:46 pm

chicken george

Member Since: 05 Dec 2007
Location: N. Yorks
Posts: 13290

2008 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Santorini Black

dont get an ipace. great fun , but so fast and so nice to drive fast your license will be toast in months. At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

winner by default of the tractor vs caravan race

14th Jan 2022 8:45 am

Boxbrownie

Member Since: 17 Mar 2019
Location: Looe
Posts: 2053

Daughter and SiL loved their iPace for the past three years but the range is ridiculous when it’s driven like it should be! When they visit us from Norfolk to Cornwall they have to stop twice to charge, we only have stop three times going the other way in our old i3 94ah….they really must slow down

They are waiting for delivery of Polestar next, but this time they are going for the slower version with a bigger battery. Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

14th Jan 2022 11:42 am

pinhead

Member Since: 12 Nov 2013
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 120

Re: Are EVs for the well heeled?

AT1963 wrote:
Listening to the news and in particular news about energy prices going up or rather remaining up it made me consider what is the impact on EVs.

So EVs are:
1. expensive to buy
2. Need charging facilities (? at home) though charging infrastructure not in place for street houses such as terraces
3.Not suitable for those who like to tinker with their vehicles to keep servicing costs down
4.Now average utility bills are expected to increase by around £600 per year per household so using electricity to charge the EV may increase your perception of being conned by conglomerate electricity companies who love the fact that even the government is backing EVs so their profits will become obscene.

Therefor i conclude that you need to sell your soul to obtain one and keep it running which leads me to believe only the well heeled can afford them

Anyway as a non environmental extinction rebel I'm off the light the log burner to smoke out the locals

I will try and answer your points in turn
1 have you seen the price of a new range rover lately
2 yes this is the best bit you install a simple wall connector at home that allows you to refuel your car whenever you want you can shop around with suppliers and get a good rate but when plugging in becomes part of your routine when you park on the drive you wake up with a full tank every morning
3 oh I disagree I have done my own brakes (strip and clean not replaced)and just last week I fitted a new wiper linkage as it had worn allowing the wiper arm to hit the bonnet
But due to the extreme reliability of my model S that's all its needed out of warranty at 86k miles and 6 years old now
4 the price of electricity going up is definitely going to hurt the cost of charging at 5.5p/kwh will be 7.5p/ kwh from next month for me this will mean that my 20k miles a year at an average of 3 miles per kwh will go from £367 to £500
It would really hurt if it got up to about 50p/kwh as that would be around price parity with a diesel and I would hate that cost again for sure

5ish as you didn't number this one
As for being well healed I am not badly off but not rich either I work hard on a farm driving tractors for a living and my wife works for the government on an average wage
I would say our household income was very average
Oh and I also have a log burner and oil central heating

14th Jan 2022 7:50 pm

Billsy

Member Since: 09 Dec 2013
Location: Mid Sussex
Posts: 180

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Tonga Green

We replaced our 62 plate Evoque when a tree fell on it with a hybrid. We used the insurance money to buy a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 15 plate. The insurance paid out 13k, we bought the Misti for 11k and pocketed the rest.

There is no tax to pay (saving a couple of hundred each year) and it costs £1 to charge fully and gets 20 odd miles till it’s battery is depleted. The mpg is the same using the petrol engine as the Evoke was on all driving but motorways where it is slightly worse than the Ewok. My wife can charge the car at work for free and gets a space easily every day (for the time being).

The hybrid option is working out great for us and I can still work on the nuts and bolts bits if required.
I still prefer driving my old Freely and the Mitsi is not as nice as the Evoke was but financially it makes sense. If we drove a lot of motorway miles an oil burner would still make more sense financially but we don’t.

When the Freely has something major fail I would look to replace with a hybrid/EV if something with similar characteristics exists but at the movement I can’t see what could replace it…………

19th Jan 2022 7:52 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5043

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

a dilemma many of us face Jules

19th Jan 2022 9:40 pm

dunkley201

Member Since: 09 Jul 2011
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 2739

2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Not mentioned is the value of your EV after around 7 years as it falls off a cliff due to the need for battery replacement. Roll on hydrogen motors!

Bob 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

20th Jan 2022 11:57 am

NoDo$h

Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: fings go booooom.
Posts: 490

2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black

Doesn't look like it's fallen off a cliff to me

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202005119274897

List price was around £57300 for the P85 in 2014.

Compare that to a 2014 Freelander 2 HSE Lux

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111229827755

Definitely not seeing a cliff face. Nor a failed battery for that matter. Current driveway contents:
2021 V60 Cross Country B5
2009 FL2 dog bus and shooting wagon

On Order: 2023 Fisker Ocean Ultra - deposit paid.

20th Jan 2022 3:27 pm

Sidthecat

Member Since: 10 Sep 2017
Location: Sarf-East London-sur-Mer
Posts: 1635

2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

@ pinhead
I live in SE London in the middle of a Victorian terrace, no driveways, we legally park two wheels on the pavement, barely room at the front for a dustbin so no possibility whatsoever of installing a charging point. Bearing that in mind everything else becomes irrelevant

20th Jan 2022 4:50 pm

Bobupndown

Member Since: 26 Dec 2014
Location: Upside down behind the TV!
Posts: 2810

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

NoDo$h wrote:
Doesn't look like it's fallen off a cliff to me

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202005119274897

List price was around £57300 for the P85 in 2014.

Compare that to a 2014 Freelander 2 HSE Lux

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111229827755

Definitely not seeing a cliff face. Nor a failed battery for that matter.

I know which one I'd prefer but wow, a 2014 Freel2 still going for £22k! Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

20th Jan 2022 5:49 pm

NoDo$h

Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: fings go booooom.
Posts: 490

I deliberately picked that one for the optimism of the seller Current driveway contents:
2021 V60 Cross Country B5
2009 FL2 dog bus and shooting wagon

On Order: 2023 Fisker Ocean Ultra - deposit paid.

20th Jan 2022 5:58 pm

Kage

Member Since: 03 Oct 2018
Location: Midlands
Posts: 236

2012 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black

The Tesla had anew motor in 2018, and has had 3 owners.
Not a ‘keeper’ then.

20th Jan 2022 7:42 pm

NoDo$h

Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: fings go booooom.
Posts: 490

Shall I pick another one of the 50 or so at that age/price point? Or will it be the wrong shade of red.

The EV future is happening. Get used to the idea. Current driveway contents:
2021 V60 Cross Country B5
2009 FL2 dog bus and shooting wagon

On Order: 2023 Fisker Ocean Ultra - deposit paid.

20th Jan 2022 10:39 pm

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