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Who is using 2 Stroke Oil
Yes - and my FL is quieter
36%
 36%  [54]
Yes - But I cannot tell if my FL is quieter
10%
 10%  [15]
Yes - No, It is not quieter
2%
 2%  [3]
No - I am not using 2 Stroke oil
51%
 51%  [75]
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avtur



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I take my advice from someone who is a Dr of Chemistry and has spent a lifetime in fuel and lubricant development for brands that are respected the world over. I have taken his advice on this subject as a result of which I will not be using 2T oil. Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor Smile ... but not any more ... Big Cry ... psst look at my gallery!
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Post #34867 16th Jan 2009 9:38 pm
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Paul



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@ Avtur: could you tell us why he/she advised against it ?

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chicken george



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from Mopar1973Man's link :-

"The 2 cycle oil concept was developed for LSD (Low Sulfur Diesel) designed trucks. (Pre 2007 model year)

DON'T USE 2 CYCLE OIL IN A ULSD DESIGNED VEHICLE!
DON'T USE 2 CYCLE OIL IN A VEHICLE WITH A DPF!
SUGGESTED NOT USE 2 CYCLE OIL IN A VEHICLE WITH A CAT!"


The fl2 has a cat, many euro versions also have a dpf

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bjartin



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Today I found in my local STATOIL a bottle of Two Stroke Oil.
2-TWay. Low Smoke. (Bottle with 200 ml).
API TC, ISO EGD, JASO FC, ROTAX 253 - It looks out to be the best of the best. Of course, produced by the Norwegian Statoil.
.

I have to date not begun to use 2-stroke oil, have not decided yet. LR Freelander2 2,2 Td4 HSE manuel Stornaway Grey (Metallic) & Ebony Black Leather & Sun/Moon-roof & Bi-Xenon & Roof Rails & Tow bar & Body side rubbing strips & Cold climate pack & Privacy glass & NavTeq . Production Date: 11/5-2007 in Halewood.

Sorry, but I have changed to Defender 90 ", and I love my" tractor ".
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Post #34879 17th Jan 2009 9:43 am
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AndyC



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As avtur, I will NOT be adding 2T oil to my diesel. I am unconvinced that forum debating about adding 2T oil (or what spec. motor oil we should be using) can come to anything but confusion in making a decision to or not to add.

Regardless as to what claims are made by forum members, which may sound very logical, I still cannot accept that if it was meant that we should add oil to our diesel then Land Rover would insist that we do just that.

Additionally, the website that CG posted it clearly states at the top DON'T USE 2 CYCLE OIL IN A VEHICLE WITH A DPF!
My FL2 has a DPF so that is clearly another reason not to add. Your FL2's may have a CAT, so that is another reason to forget the 2T oil debate immediately.

Lastly, why on earth should so many forum members doubt Land Rover Question 2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
Stornoway Grey with Ebony Black Pleather, Clear Indicators, Body Side Mouldings etc.

Post #34881 17th Jan 2009 10:11 am
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avtur



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Paul wrote:
@ Avtur: could you tell us why he/she advised against it ?


As I said earlier in the thread ....

"...... there is good reason to expect that the solvents and additives contained in 2T oil may help cleanliness and solubility of dirt in the fuel (yes therefore keeping the valves and injectors clean)...............these exact same properties can diminish the lubricity of the of the fuel, a particularly important feature of the fuel when used in modern ultrahigh pressure common rail injection systems. Any decrease in lubricity puts the pump at risk." Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor Smile ... but not any more ... Big Cry ... psst look at my gallery!
Company cars ... a thing of the past - May 2013.

Post #34882 17th Jan 2009 10:23 am
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avtur



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AndyC wrote:

Lastly, why on earth should so many forum members doubt Land Rover Question


I must admit I agree with this ...... Thumbs Up Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor Smile ... but not any more ... Big Cry ... psst look at my gallery!
Company cars ... a thing of the past - May 2013.

Post #34883 17th Jan 2009 10:26 am
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bjartin



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Here is an amateur-expert who also has knowledge about oil. He calls himself "Bob, the oil guy".
I'm not as interested in the topic, so I have not read what he writes --- there is too much to read through.
Maybe someone is interested, so here it is...................................

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ LR Freelander2 2,2 Td4 HSE manuel Stornaway Grey (Metallic) & Ebony Black Leather & Sun/Moon-roof & Bi-Xenon & Roof Rails & Tow bar & Body side rubbing strips & Cold climate pack & Privacy glass & NavTeq . Production Date: 11/5-2007 in Halewood.

Sorry, but I have changed to Defender 90 ", and I love my" tractor ".
http://www.youtube.com/bjartin

Post #34885 17th Jan 2009 10:33 am
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Paul



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@ bjartin:

thanks for the link but there's no search function and so far I couldn't find anything about 2 stroke oil.

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Paul



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avtur wrote:
Paul wrote:
@ Avtur: could you tell us why he/she advised against it ?


As I said earlier in the thread ....

"...... there is good reason to expect that the solvents and additives contained in 2T oil may help cleanliness and solubility of dirt in the fuel (yes therefore keeping the valves and injectors clean)...............these exact same properties can diminish the lubricity of the of the fuel, a particularly important feature of the fuel when used in modern ultrahigh pressure common rail injection systems. Any decrease in lubricity puts the pump at risk."


Strange. One should forget that 2T oil serves as the -only- lubricant of a 2 stroke engine in the first place. Contrary to a 4 stroke engine where the metal components run in an oil bath and/or are lubricated under pressure, the 2 T oil is mixed with the gas and this suits to lubricate the pistons and cylinders, the crankshaft bearings etc.
Therefore it obvious that 2T oil has much better lubrification properties than diesel oil, so how could it diminish the lubricity of diesel when used as a additive ?

All 4T oils contain additives to keep the engine clean. Those do not harm the lubrification properties either.

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Alona



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So are we now saying, that because we have a cat we cant use 2T oil Question

What damage will it do. 08 FL2 SE TD4 manual,Santorini Black, Factory fitted Black Tinted Glass, Anti-Tesco Trolly Side Protection, bebe confort axiss carseats & Cargo barrier to stop twin's buggy & junk coming through. NO Sweets Crisps or Drinks inside.
WITH TWINS, YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY Smile Now towing a Abbey Vouge 650 1800kg

Tug weight 1958kg + Roofrails & Towbar

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bjartin



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Alona, you have Td4 and no cat. LR Freelander2 2,2 Td4 HSE manuel Stornaway Grey (Metallic) & Ebony Black Leather & Sun/Moon-roof & Bi-Xenon & Roof Rails & Tow bar & Body side rubbing strips & Cold climate pack & Privacy glass & NavTeq . Production Date: 11/5-2007 in Halewood.

Sorry, but I have changed to Defender 90 ", and I love my" tractor ".
http://www.youtube.com/bjartin

Post #34895 17th Jan 2009 12:23 pm
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Paul



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I had a look at the "bob-is-the-oil-guy" site: many statements but very few well-grounded clarifications...
On the internet one can find opposite opinions about any subject. If those opinions are not even justified, it is no more but a waste of time to even read them.

I would like to recommend all unbelievers to read the contributions of especially Yamaha-fan again as she put lots of work in giving detailed technical justifications for her point of view. Untill now, I din't find technical explanation that took the edge of her arguments. The opposite is true.

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AndyC



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bjartin wrote:
Alona, you have Td4 and no cat.


..but you may have a DPF Shocked 2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
Stornoway Grey with Ebony Black Pleather, Clear Indicators, Body Side Mouldings etc.

Post #34899 17th Jan 2009 1:34 pm
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Alona



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Takk bjartin Thumbs Up

And no DPF AndyC. Remember were i'm from. The DPF costs more money Laughing

Not sure but it does look good this 2T thing. 08 FL2 SE TD4 manual,Santorini Black, Factory fitted Black Tinted Glass, Anti-Tesco Trolly Side Protection, bebe confort axiss carseats & Cargo barrier to stop twin's buggy & junk coming through. NO Sweets Crisps or Drinks inside.
WITH TWINS, YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY Smile Now towing a Abbey Vouge 650 1800kg

Tug weight 1958kg + Roofrails & Towbar

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