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DanielB89



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When you say the fuel bills are high, how many miles are you getting from a tank? What’s your average mpg?

Post #333294 15th Oct 2017 7:39 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Haven't actually sat down and worked out the true MPG. The car said, last time I checked, mid 20s, and from what I've read it ain't that accurate.

What I tend to notice is I stick £30 in when I've got very little left in the tank, which then suggests I have about 190 miles range according to the trip computer. It'll slowly tick down as I drive over a few days then suddenly it's at 50 miles and then the warning light comes on.

I should really check the miles between each top up. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #333296 15th Oct 2017 7:47 pm
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MartynB



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

£30 buys about 5.5 gallons give or take. On mixed local runs our 09 auto seems to average 28. It only gets into the 30s if a) I take it for at least a 20 mile run, b) drive it with a feather -like touch. So I'd reckon depending upon the mix of your local runs 150 miles for £30 would be good, but it might be as low as 130 miles if you are doing a lot of very short hops. Where we live every trip involves a) going up hills, b) going up more hills and strangely never going down any certainly doesn't help with running a big heavy SUV Big Cry 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Post #333299 15th Oct 2017 8:26 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Yeah I have a fair amount of hills and tight corners to deal with which I imagine doesn't help. I will try and work out a better mpg so I can actually get a true view. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #333300 15th Oct 2017 8:31 pm
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iain cooper



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Scotland 2009 Freelander 2 TD4_e HSE Manual Lago Grey

reading between the lines your probably thinking in terms of not just mpg, but possible big repair bills in future ?

understandable, and sometimes enough to convince one to change to a more economic mode of transport Laughing

Iain

Post #333328 16th Oct 2017 3:58 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Totally Iain, it isn't a cheap car to service and has lots to go wrong.

But without lots more money to put towards a newer car, anything I got that was still a 4x4 would be similar I suppose.

I will monitor the fuel usage just to get a proper idea, but even if it's bad, after looking around, there isn't a better option just now! FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #333330 16th Oct 2017 4:24 pm
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eddiekol



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

I had a similar problem to you.I had a 2008 HSE and it was coming up to its 10 year service and cambelt change.I had also decided to give up work a year early.For that reason,I decided to look for something a bit cheaper to run,as my income would be substantially less.In the end I part-exchanged my HSE for a 2014 VW Tiguan with less than 20k miles.It's a Bluemotion Match 4Motion with the 2.0tdi enginge and DSG gearbox.It's the more powerful 177ps engine and has full leather with electric heated seats and panoramic roof.My mileage variesfrom lots of short journeys,to occasional longer ones.At the moment,I am averaging 600 miles a month.Only time will tell if the mileage will increase.The average fuel consumption is really good.
I do regret selling my Freelander,but I realise that I have to run my car on a limited budget.I was also fortunate that I could afford a newer car with,hopefully,less to go wrong,but we'll see.

Post #333337 16th Oct 2017 7:20 pm
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Chuckalicious



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I think if I come into a situation where I could fund a newer car then I would likely do similar to you, but that hasn't happened so far.... FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #333339 16th Oct 2017 7:25 pm
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DirtyDuck



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Loire Blue

tenet wrote:
The money you would lose on buying and selling would probably pay for a years fuel. Shocked

Not sure what annual mileage you do but if only a few thousand you ain't going to save huge amounts.


+1 to that - think of the whole life cost of a car - unless you are a very canny buyer, selling and buying costs you several thousand pounds.

Running at additional car will cost you at least £750 a year in insurance tax and servicing, even if you only use it 2 months of the year. So if you do say 8000 miles in the 10 dry months and only get 25 mpg from your freely and have a 2nd car doing 40mpg instead, you would save £650 in fuel and still be out of pocket. And that ignores depreciation. Running two cars isn't your answer. Yes, there are cars that will do 50mpg, but I am assuming bad short runs, so going for 40 average on an economy car. Your freely would do more than 25 on longer runs.

You could change for an economical saloon style 4x4 (Octavia Scout for example) - I don't know much about these, but they still won't be as economical as a standard car due to the 4x4.

As for Panda and Jimny - check the euro-ncap safety rating. No 4x4 is inherently safer in a crash - they have to have been designed to be safe - older Disco's for example had a terrible crash rating. People felt safe but they weren't.

Although something people don't know - a 2000kg 5* rated car IS safer than a 1500kg 5* rated car. The star rating assumes you hit a car of equal weight. If they are different weights, the heavier car wins, other things being equal (which they are not always) Saw a programme a few years back with a BMW Mini vs Jaguar XJ - The mini is 5*. the XJ wasn't rated. Passenger in mini was dead, XJ drivers and passenger all uninjured. Sobering.

Post #333365 17th Oct 2017 8:27 am
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npinks



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since becoming my own boss, in January and noticing what fuel costs are now, i have thought long and hard about keeping the FL2, my average fuel calculated is 23.41mpg due to lots of low mileage trips (year/avg 25miles a day)

comparing data (actual)
18/03/17 -14/10/17 - FL2 SD4 - 23.41mpg - 5341miles - £1.238/L - 1097L - £1357.67

now if my car did fantasy avg 40mpg
18/03/17 - 14/10/17 - FL2 SD4 - 40.47mpg - 5341 - £1.1238/L - 600L - £742.80

So 210 days there is an additional £614.87 cost in fuel (£2.92 per day) or a saving of £1068.70 per year that needs factoring in to the addtional cost of buying a new car, or in my case to look forward too when i decide to buy a new Audi/Volvo Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Post #333374 17th Oct 2017 9:43 am
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tenet



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United Kingdom 2015 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey

Yes, but you can now offset depreciation, fuel, servicing etc ( less some personal usage) against tax which softens the blow somewhat. Whatever is claimed by manufacturers regarding fuel consumption the reality is somewhat different especially if the majority of journeys are short. So a few hundred quid amortised over the year pales into insignificance compared to driving a Renault Twingo. Very Happy Smile MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

Post #333380 17th Oct 2017 10:16 am
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Chuckalicious



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All very true. I think I'll just stick to the Freelander until either I become loaded or something horrible happens to the car and makes it too costly to keep.

Hopefully it isn't the latter that happens Smile FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #333382 17th Oct 2017 10:36 am
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DirtyDuck



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Loire Blue

npinks wrote:
since becoming my own boss, in January and noticing what fuel costs are now, i have thought long and hard about keeping the FL2, my average fuel calculated is 23.41mpg due to lots of low mileage trips (year/avg 25miles a day)

comparing data (actual)
18/03/17 -14/10/17 - FL2 SD4 - 23.41mpg - 5341miles - £1.238/L - 1097L - £1357.67

now if my car did fantasy avg 40mpg
18/03/17 - 14/10/17 - FL2 SD4 - 40.47mpg - 5341 - £1.1238/L - 600L - £742.80

So 210 days there is an additional £614.87 cost in fuel (£2.92 per day) or a saving of £1068.70 per year that needs factoring in to the addtional cost of buying a new car, or in my case to look forward too when i decide to buy a new Audi/Volvo


Apologies to all if teaching granny to suck eggs, but when looking at any new car - look at "Real MPG" (google it - Honest John, Fuelly, What Car). The DS, for example, is especially appalling in this regard. By all accounts it's one of the worst for failing to meet the official figures, so while more efficient than the FL2, in the real world it's much closer than you think.

Final word - one way to look at this topic is comparing the depreciation on your current car vs that on the chosen replacement. (adding things like tax and insurance if they are different). That way you quickly reach an idea of what you need to save in fuel to make the change simply for economic reasons. Sounds like the OP has already reached this conclusion.

Post #333383 17th Oct 2017 11:02 am
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npinks



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Fully aware of claimed compared to actual mpg been different, and the fact I’ve not had over 25mpg avg since the FL2 was launched Rolling with laughter

But we can all dream about a LR that does 40+, can’t even buy the RRS PHEV as no dealers know anything about it to answer questions, or when orders can be taken Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Post #333385 17th Oct 2017 11:22 am
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Chuckalicious



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Finally sat down and worked out the MPG. Over 208 miles (unusually 80 of which were motorway) and £30 of diesel, I managed 29.5mpg. Not awful, not great. But at least I know. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

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