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Stef



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Help timing belt

Hi

Mrs driving. Starts fine but loss of power within 400m. Allegedly no loud noises just dies.
I arrive. Engine cranks but doesn't start.
after a few attempts just clicks. Nothing.
Aa chap tries a jump start for short time and nothing happens with easy start.
Reckons it might be auxillary belt tensioner....warning of potential damage to engine but no evidence. Codes clear.
With garage.....nervous.. Sad
Is it likely that belt has just gone and smashed up my 07 with 90k on clock..?

Thank you

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ricky64



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Auxilary belt tensioner would have no effect on the running, do you mean timing belt tensioner?

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Stef



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Yes sorry Ricky. He recounts timing belt tensioner?

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Did the AA man check to see if the top end was moving when he attempted starting eg valves, cam turning

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He did f all to be honest. Tried for 5 minutes to charge and decided early on it needed to go in. He tried to jump and muttered something about a pressure going up and down but he never got any power to start the engine with that easy start spray. So thinks there might be a compression issue..tried again and whereas the power at least cranked it now just clicks on ignition... Which makes me think it might be alternator starter motor...any ideas ?

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Its difficult to advise when neither of has the car in front of us to check
If you had said yes the top end was rotating i would have guessed the belt had slipped a tooth. if you had said no top wasn't moving its likely to be belt snapped .
If the AA man had any doubt about the belt the last thing you want to be doing is keep trying to start it.
Hope its a cheap fix for you mate

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Steve D



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To be fair to the AA man, if a belt is broken any damage will have been done after just ONE revolution of the crankshaft. You won't do one single bit of extra damage by cranking it over as the Pistons would have already bent any valves out of their way in that one revolution. Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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The timing belt going at 90k would be very unusual, although you will find threads on here discussing changing at well below the recommended distance as a precautionary measure. If it turns out to be the timing belt I would contact Ryan from customer relations and would hope that JLR would contribute to the repair.
Good luck, keep us informed of progress.

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Steve your right about the damage if the belt has snapped but if the belts only slipped a tooth there is a risk of causing more damage by keep turning it over

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Cheers guys but just remembered had my timing belt and tensioner changed at Land Rover 2 years ago Evil or Very Mad

so it can't be that surely! It's the power thing that's bugging me. All the videos I have seen show that the motor can still turn over with a dodgy belt albeit sounds out of control...so... Coldest morning of the year... Original battery since new....seems odd though that the jump start didn't work...but then he didn't give it that much charge time or....no word from garage yet.....praying its starter motor battery or alternator..maybe

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My money is on alternator had similar fault(not Freelander) car would not fire then click click AA tried booster pack same again then did few checks pin pointed alternator, thing that caught me out the battery light did not show up on the dash.

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Sounding more like electrical if the timing belt was done, I presume you did water pump and tensioner pulley at the same time?

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ricky64 wrote:
Steve your right about the damage if the belt has snapped but if the belts only slipped a tooth there is a risk of causing more damage by keep turning it over

Same rule applies. If it's slipped a tooth it's either hit or it ain't! I must say though, in over 40 years of being in the trade, I've never seen a car running that has 'slipped a tooth'. Seen a few that had been set up one tooth out, but if the belt gets that loose that it is able to slip, it's done for! Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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RichP wrote:
Sounding more like electrical if the timing belt was done, I presume you did water pump and tensioner pulley at the same time?


They did mate. Oops forgot to tell all that I had a funny sound before for a few weeks on shutdown..the famous throttle body I assume....so funnily enough garage have now diagnosed throttle body and glow plugs.....they say they have done compression checks and I do trust them but would throttle body failure cause complete late power loss and inability to be jumped?

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If it managed to start initially then it's unlikely that it's glow plugs and in my experience you will get one plug that fails which will give you rough starting but it will go and it wouldn't account for the car stopping. My money is on a throttle body that stuck closed (although you would expect to see a fault code). 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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