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Chuckalicious



Member Since: 23 May 2014
Location: Midlothian
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I don't have any experience of this issue but from reading on the forum it seems like you've tried all the normal things.

The only thing that comes to mind is someone on here had a Haldex software fault which meant every 30 seconds or so it could be felt causing a little judder or kick. I think this was most apparent at speed.


So many posts on here saying love driving new car but so problematic. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #266226 7th Jun 2015 10:18 am
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pab



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Lago Grey

Expanding on the above, as I recall it the issue was that the Haldex self-tests every 30 seconds or so, which involves momentarily locking itself. In the case in point the tyres on one axle had been replaced, making the diameters front and rear slightly different. This was enough to cause wind-up and the judder during the self-test. A software update which changed the self-test behaviour fixed the problem.

In this case, though, the judder was regular - every 30 seconds or so - not random.

If you have any remaining concerns about the EGR system, blanking plates are cheap and easy to fit!

Is the garage you're using a LR dealer or an independent?

Post #266229 7th Jun 2015 11:13 am
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SimonBattersby



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England 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

The juddering and hiccups are definitely totally irregular but the EGR and EGR cooler are brand new so I would imagine they shouldn't still be causing a problem (I hope). The mechanic also said he cleaned the pipes that go from the EGR which were starting to congeal with nasty deposits.... . I was initially going to get the EGR blanked totally but the car was still under warranty by the RAC platinum warranty scheme but it turns out they don't really cover anything. At the time the first garage assured me that they'd make sure the job was covered but it turns out after they'd done the job and I'd payed they couldn't be bothered following it up with the RAC to claim my monies back. After that we took it to a different garage to get it diagnosed and they said the EGR cooler needed replacing but it should have been done with the EGR its self.
We have been to Land Rover in Kendal and a technician drove the car but only on twisty A roads so he didn't feel the judder, unfortunately there weren't any motorways or duel carriageways close enough for us to test it on but he did say when he was driving it it felt perfect. All apart from a slight vibration though a bearing at 50mph as the gear changed but that shouldn't cause the judder at speed. He said it was a common fault with the fr2 but it was only just starting to become apparent. The original two garages were both independent.

Post #266232 7th Jun 2015 12:44 pm
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Towner



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Sumatra Black

Hello. Would you describe the judder as, if your accelerating (any gear) then it is like someone turns a switch to the engine off and on very quickly and then it carries on as normal??
If so then I had this problem with my FLII (2007 HSE) and took it to a LR Specialist (Not Main Dealer) and they upgraded the ECU firmware and gave the Fuel system a thorough clean using an additive and it cured it.

Post #266335 8th Jun 2015 9:13 pm
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SimonBattersby



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England 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

Hi and thanks for the follow up, it mostly happens around 70ish mph but sometimes it can happen above 50 but never below. It never seems to kick in when we're picking up speed but more so when we're maintaining a steady or constant speed.
I would describe it as a momentary loss of power and then it kicks in again but it feels like it happens for a brief milli second but 3 or 4 times in quick succession.

Post #266349 9th Jun 2015 6:41 am
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dunkley201



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

From my experience of a Haldex software fault, it could be where you should look. Not the same, but sooo similar in many ways - at speed, grab, grab, grab through the transmission. http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic19396.html

Bob

(Chuckalicious & pab referred to my fault above) 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

Post #266354 9th Jun 2015 8:00 am
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SimonBattersby



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England 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

Thanks Bob, I did read though your post but I quashed the idea when it was happening every 30seconds. It does sound similar apart from the regularity of it happening. I might remove the FB6 fuse and give it a go. Do you know if this will cause any damage to the transmission if I drive with the Haldex disengaged? It's booked into a Land Rover specialist in a couple of weeks but if can give him something to go at that would be brilliant!

Cheers
Simon

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dunkley201



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Hi Simon. I was not advised removing the fuse would harm the transmission but I did not know for sure. Otherwise, if we had a Haldex failure we could just pull the fuse and drive without it Question . Certainly worth a test run though!

Bob

NB. I see both our cars are the same build year - a possible link there? Mine was first reg Sept 09. 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

Post #266364 9th Jun 2015 9:35 am
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Franklinp99



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England 2011 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Ipanema Sand

I have this intermittent problem on my manual MY2011 TD4, funny thing is my wife who drives it much more than me claims to have never noticed it but she noticed it the other day when I was driving Confused Does anyone know if a Bluefin remap fixes it?

Post #266365 9th Jun 2015 10:14 am
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Chuckalicious



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Fairly toasty today. 23 degrees where I was. Sitting at roundabout, saw a space open up, put the foot down. Car slowly rolled onto the carriageway. My heart almost exploded. Then so did the turbo and off we went. My foot was to the floor before anything more than pathetic happened.

Have I just had the dreaded hesitation fault? Manual 2011MY TD4. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #266619 11th Jun 2015 6:59 pm
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Billsy



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Tonga Green

No not the same issue.

The faults mentioned above are also different.

Symptoms appear between 1600/1900 rpm on hot days (above 17c) with light accelarating for me.
Feels like the car misfuels stutters then carries on normally.
I feel that it is a fuel map/software issue but nobody seems to have come up with a solid fix

Post #266622 11th Jun 2015 7:09 pm
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Franklinp99



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England 2011 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Ipanema Sand

I get the initial lack of power sometimes as well as the occasional dead spot in 2nd gear, booked in At Guy Salmon Maidstone on Thursday

Post #266627 11th Jun 2015 7:23 pm
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ewrfvadffe



Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
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2011 Freelander 2 SD4 S Auto Barolo Black

Hello,

i have the same problem with my Freelander 2 2011 Auto.

When the ambient temperature gets above 14 °C the car sometimes stutters when accelerating (for example on an intersection or at the traffic lights).

I have asked two LR dealers in germany last year.
They have searched the Topix database but they can´t find any solution.
The car had no related errors logged.

Is there a fix available for this problem?

In august i have the next yearly service.
It would be great when i can give them some information to get the problem solved.

greets from germany
Sebastian

Post #267611 21st Jun 2015 6:45 pm
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Hi Sebastian

Thank you for your post.

I note your comments and would advise that in order for Land Rover to investigate your concern we will require a diagnosis to be completed by an approved Land Rover retailer who will be able to inspect your vehicle and advise on their findings.

Should you wish for me to request that you are contacted by the relevant Customer Relations Department for your vehicle market, I would be grateful if you are able to provide me with the following details;

Your full name
Telephone number
Email address
Vehicle registration
Last 6 of VIN
Relevant repairing Jaguar retailer

Once I have this information, I will pass your details to our Global Team who will request that you are contacted accordingly.

Regards

Ryan Please note that although Jaguar Land Rover will try to assist you with your issue, we are unable to provide any direct technical advice. This account will be available between 0900 and 17:00 hours Monday – Friday. If it is outside of this time, and you require assistance, please feel free to drop us a Private Message and we’ll get back to you as soon as we can

Post #267690 22nd Jun 2015 10:56 am
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ewrfvadffe



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2011 Freelander 2 SD4 S Auto Barolo Black

Hello Ryan,


As i wrote in my previous post i had the car at two authorized LR dealers to fix the problem last year.
Both of them were unable to locate the fault. Crying or Very sad

My car is out of warranty, so i am looking for some hints what the possible fault can cause the stuttering problem.
I think the mentioned diagnosis will not be free of charge.

So i first want to collect some information about the possible reasons for that problem before i will bring the car to a dealer to do the yearly maintenance in august.

For me it seems that a lot of customers have the same problem that the car stutters while accelerating if the ambient temperatur is above a specific value.
I have found the same discussions in a german Landrover forum.

If there is a LR internal document for this issue please let me know.
Then i can give this information to my LR dealer.

Thanks a lot and best regards
Sebastian

Post #267699 22nd Jun 2015 11:42 am
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