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Mav71



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I ran the bluefin for 6 years on my old 160 Td4 and it was perfect. Towing became a lot easier as well.

Superchips limit the torque in first and second gear, just like the factory software, If I remember correctly! torque in forts and second is actually the same as factory! which protects the transmission.

But 3rd through to 6th is a delight. Your right, LR do offer a manual SD4.

Regarding towing, now I have the auto and have been on a couple of hours tow with the caravan! the auto is far superior to tow with than the manual. Easier, smoother and an overall nicer drive. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

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Mav - just need to get your Bluefin reprogrammed for your current MY13 then for an even better towing experience. Thumbs Up 1998 Feelander XDI Hardback - Gone
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Post #214761 24th Jan 2014 5:46 pm
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matty D



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I have literally just installed a bluefin on my FL2 auto, so thought I'd add my 2p.

I didn't decide to get the car remapped because I wanted a quicker car, and Im by no means a boy racer. However, I felt the car was quite laggy at low revs, and didn't have much overtaking grunt. So I did a bit of research, and eventually decided to give bluefin a try.

Installation was slightly problematic, as you need a windows PC (Im a mac user), I don't think this is mentioned very clearly prior to purchase. I managed to borrow a laptop for the night, so no big deal.

When the bluefin is plugged into the car, it was quite alarming at first when all these warning messages started flashing up on the dash, but these are normal apparently, and can be ignored.

People have said on here that they send back a remap of your original file. Im not sure this is accurate, as as soon as I had uploaded my file to the super chips server (8pm last night), I got an email saying my remap was ready to download, so I think you get sent a generic TD4 remap.

I have just been out for a drive in it, and although its early days, there is a very noticeable lack of turbo lag. Acceleration is much more responsive and effortless. Gear changes are much smoother (auto) as well. Its far to early to comment on MPG, but initial impressions are very positive.

Another bonus of the bluefin, is it can be used as a fault code reader, and as an immobiliser.

One thing to note, is the bluefin resets the clock, and one click unlocking for some reason. There may be other things that have been reset (?) that I will notice in the coming days.

I shall keep updated if anything else is worth mentioning.

Post #214806 25th Jan 2014 10:49 am
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Mav71



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You do not get a generic map. That is a 100% fact.

The software they use is quite advanced. When you down load your map to their servers, Superchips software when automatically modifies the file parameters of your own map.

The 'Generic' map is almost a myth these days. The modern ECU would not allow a generic map to be installed in the ECU. It would not accept the file.

As said, I have ran bluefin for over 6 years on my old FL2. You may find that most things have been covered by the many members who have used it.

It shouldn't de-activate the one touch unlocking though. Only the clock should re-set. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

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matty D



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Ok, I stand corrected. Its just in the literature it states that your remap will be available to down load within 8 hours (Mon - Fri office hours), giving the impression it took some time for an engineer to look over and adjust the map. Yet my remap was downloadable within less than a minute late on a friday night.

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Mav71



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They have been known to work weird hours as well, depending on what they are working on. You never know, some one may have been there at the time yours came in.

Who knows, but I know there programming/ application software is right up there at manufacturer standards.

A similar thing happened when the ECU failed on my Audi. My local Audi dealer was connected to the factory in Germany and the new ECU was programmed automatically from Audi Germany wothout any human input.

Very clever stuff these days.

When I first bought my Bluefin, they offered a 48 hour turnaround. So things have moved on since I bought mine. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

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shiggsy



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The Bluefin documentation does say that you may not always need to connect to their servers to retrieve a map as it may already be available on the device, which does tend to suggest a generic map. 
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Mav71



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For the last time, they are not a generic map Rolling Eyes The cars ECU will not accept a map file that does not carry the correct ident.

This is why the bluefin carries two versions of the cars original map. One original, and one modified. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

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Winslet



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Reading between the lines in this thread, I think it is worth exploring what is meant by 'generic' in terms of mapping. I am no expert but there is definitely some confusion over whether the maps are 'generic' or not. So here are my thoughts:

I would suspect that the process undergone by Bluefin and others such as Autologic (which I do have some experience of) is that data is taken off the vehicle to be remapped and sent to the computers at the mapping company where a map particular to the specification of the vehicle is modified with data such as the VIN. This is then sent back to the device to load onto the car. This is needed to ensure the remap works on the car when downloaded to it. Apart from that aspect, the map applied is generic, ie it has been written to provide the characteristics of power and torque given in the literature and takes into account features on the car such as whether it is an manual or automatic or has DPF fitted or not. Other than that, I cannot see a remap being any more specific unless one goes down the route of using a rolling road to test the characteristics of the actual car and rewriting particular parameters to suit.

The Bluefin device then holds two maps, both specific to the car - the original and the remapped one. This provides a degree of security to their hard work and costs as it stops someone downloading the same map to another vehicle, as clearly it won't work if the ECU finds data not relevant to the car itself. I guess that is also part of the security and immobilisation on the car itself.

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shiggsy



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So it sounds like some cars may get a generic map as they come with the device, but the FL2 doesn't because it requires the ident put into the new map, and it may get some extra tweaking specific to that vehicle as well? 
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Post #214888 26th Jan 2014 10:31 am
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Winslet



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Yes, that is what I am suggesting.

Maps will be specific to the variant as it will need to take into account of these, just as the original map will have done - which in the case of Freelander aren't that great as essentially it has one engine (in this country at least, except for limited sales of the i6 petrol) which comes as either an auto or manual and over the years more changes will need to be taken into account, eg DPF, stop-start, SD4 or TD4 and the changes brought in with the MY2010/MY2013 updates). 2016 BMW X3 30d SE in red
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Although I don't know for a fact what Bluefin do, I would guess they do pretty much what other well respected "plug and play" mapping companies do. (I.e. Those that sell you a hand held device to "program" your car).

As other suggested, it is very likely the map IS generic insofar as there is a standard Bluefin map for the Freelander2. This will provide torque and BHP improvements consistent with the documentation Bluefin provide.

When you upload your map to the server, all that is happening is that specific identification information/coding is read from that file and inserted into the standard Freelander2 Bluefin map which is then sent back to you. The map that gets sent to me would be no different to the map that gets sent to every other Freelander2 owner except for VIN/other identification data.

This identification data allows the standard map to be uploaded into the cars ECU, "fooling" (not a great word, but it'll do) it into thinking its original map is being uploaded.

This is a similar practice by the German official Ford remap company (Code:Red) - they require your VIN so they can insert the right identification into the map they send you - that way the car concerned doesn't "reject" the map.

I doubt very much whether anyone at Bluefin actually sits and looks at the incoming files from owners and "tweaks" them on the fly, and then sends them back. The servers will just send back the standard Freelander2 Bluefin map, albeit with the senders VIN etc. inserted.

Pretty much what the two post above have said (I think!), I've just used different words...

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what happens if you take it to the dealer for a software update? does it delete this improved remap? what happens then? presumably you cant just reinstall the Bluefin one because it won't have the latest land rover update on it ?

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choccymonster



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Not sure about Bluefin, but the previous hand-held programming device manufacturers I have used always told me to remove it prior to going into a main dealer.

Apparently, the act of updating the software whilst the map is on the car will wipe the map off the car - but more importantly because (I guess) some sort of checksum will have changed, the map cannot be reloaded without the handset being reset by the manufacturer.

I don't know - but I suspect Bluefin operate in a similar way.

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Superchips suggested that I uninstall it before servicing, Caffyns LR told me not to bother. I didn't bother.

What is most relevant is how the car changes for the better as a result of this remap. It's definitely not placebo or confirmation bias. Whereabouts unknown stop going to follow stream until reach civilisation stop message ends

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