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issus Member Since: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Northampton Posts: 25 |
Here are the specs The "JASO" specification of 2-T oil means "Japan Automobile Standards Organisation" JASO MA = for 4-stroke motorbike engines JASO F = for 2-stroke motorbike engines JASO FA = standard 2-T oil JASO FB = low smoke JASO FC = lowest smoke For JASO F: the higher the letter behind the "F" the better the performance of the 2-T oil For Europe, the equivalent of JASO is ISO: ISO-L-EGB equals JASO F ISO-L-EGC equals JASO FB ISO-L-EGD equals JASO FC So probably for your car? FC is fine whilst FB is also acceptable! Avoid mineral oils as these will leave more sooty residue. The ratio is 200:1 so if you add 45ltr you should add 225ml of 2s. FYI I use Valvoline Durablend Synthetic Blend JASO FC on a BMW 320s(no DPF) its about £6/ltr and a bottle lasts me weeks(I get 48mpg av). Wilkinson do a cheap one at under £6.00ltr and meets the JASO FC Spec as does Morrisons , Tesco and Asda. Whilst this additive will increase/improve your mpg don't forget because of the low ash content your vehicle should run cleaner. For example the EGR, Inlet Manifold and Fuel Injectors should run cleaner. Whilst this is a lengthy thread you should when you have time on your hands read the first 30 pages of Yamaha's thread. She too is a woman so you can club together as sisters do. regards Up the Cobblers |
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23rd May 2013 9:55 pm |
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ben.lesmana Member Since: 22 Jun 2013 Location: Indonesia Posts: 3 |
Hello,
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22nd Jun 2013 5:50 pm |
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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090 |
200 ml to 35litre isn't the ratio advised, it's from memory 300ml to 68litres
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22nd Jun 2013 6:01 pm |
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DandyLandy Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Africa Posts: 20 |
Land Rover will void your vehicle's warranty if they find traces of unapproved additives in your vehicle's fuel lines, injectors, etc. I have this in writing from LR HQ in SA. "With regards to the fuel additives, we do not recommend the use of this as it will change the standard content of the fuel which our vehicles have been designed and adapted to use in the SA market. The use of fuel additives is solely at the customers discretion and can affect the vehicles warranty should a fuel sample be necessary for analysis due to a relevant failure."
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23rd Jun 2013 9:15 am |
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DandyLandy Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Africa Posts: 20 |
It is the worst possible medieval practice promoted by people who have not done research and who also may lead others down a vertical cliff. Don't ever do this unless you have it pre-approved by landRover in writing - not from a service station but from the manufacturer. |
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23rd Jun 2013 9:36 am |
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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090 |
Thank you DandyLandy for your knowledgable input
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23rd Jun 2013 10:25 am |
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issus Member Since: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Northampton Posts: 25 |
[quote="DandyLandy"]
If you had bothered to read Yamaha's thread I doubt if you would have come up with such outlandish comments/ views. In theory you can run your diesel engine entirely on 2s without any ill effects. For those with DPF you just need to use the recommended grade and dose. The only reason we don't use 2s is purely based on cost - at approx £6/ltr!! Best quality diesel in the UK is approx £1.50/litre There is no way LR or even BMW could trace use of 250ml of 2s in a full tank of Diesel - as the s2 additive fully combines with the diesel....again read Yamaha's thread on this and/or least "Google it" for technical info on the internal "mixing" properties. Your message and earlier messages are deeply misleading and full of unsupported doomsday claims. Only come back on this subject when you have a clearer understanding of the subject and better appreciation of Yamaha's views on the use of 2s. Up the Cobblers Last edited by issus on 23rd Jun 2013 3:17 pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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23rd Jun 2013 10:26 am |
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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090 |
@ issus, it's clearly a personal statement the Deflakon has state and quite warrented one regarding warranty. just like YF and everybody else claim that 2SO benefits the engine, unless "your" the one with the so called proof which we are all wait upon all these year down the line
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23rd Jun 2013 10:46 am |
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Paul Member Since: 10 Feb 2007 Location: Ghent Posts: 417 |
"If 2SO held any value as a Diesel additive, be sure that oil companies would have promoted it as such"
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23rd Jun 2013 11:06 am |
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issus Member Since: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Northampton Posts: 25 |
Fine but don't take my comments out of context - I only suggested that the messager in question (not others) should only comment on this thread when their opinions are more informed and certainly with less bombastic and pompous view points. Regarding your comments in the first para "so called proof " - the only proof I can offer is that 2s is £6/ltr hence the reason why BMWS,FL etc do not use it - perhaps this maybe a no brainer! As I understand it diesel's will run on 2s without any mishap - its just the price which deters us! Up the Cobblers |
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23rd Jun 2013 11:57 am |
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DandyLandy Member Since: 23 Jun 2013 Location: Africa Posts: 20 |
Oil companies already blend in the correct additives, some of which is found in 2SO as well. By adding 2SO, you risk overdosing and this can affect combustion patterns and temperatures. It is one thing to do this, which is anyone's personal choice. It is a different thing, altogether, to advise others to do it. Don't underestimate forensic labs, either. Anyone stating the opposite of what LandRover is stating officially, is not a good brand ambassador as you imply ignorance on the side of their engineers. Surely those who design, build and test these vehicles know better than Joe Public? I have been rdearching this for many years now. It seems quite likely that a fair portion of the global Toyota D-4D injector problem can be attributed to owners who had used 2SO and similar additives. 2SO may have been good for your old W123 Merc but not for a modern CRD. Injectors and DPF are at risk. Users of 2SO: Do as you please but don't lead others astray. |
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23rd Jun 2013 1:19 pm |
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cressus_66 Member Since: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Alexandria Posts: 9 |
Seems to be a "oficial version bullshit".
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23rd Jun 2013 1:52 pm |
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issus Member Since: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Northampton Posts: 25 |
[quote="DandyLandy"][quote="issus"]
- This is the point of the whole exercise people can experiment as they wish ...it is their choice . I don't appreciate your last few words ...........I do not lead people astray on the use of 2s either by intent or by implication. If readers wish to try 2s as outlined in Yamaha's opening thread that is their choice and only then can they weigh up the benefits. It appears to have benefits. Adding 2s oil to Diesels in small doses has been common practice by Taxi Drivers for many years If you can come off your high hobby horse and appreciate that people are free to experiment at their own risk and take a more flexible view of the 2s situation by pointing out the pro's as well as the con's you may achieve more than the doomsday scenario you imply . Up the Cobblers Last edited by issus on 23rd Jun 2013 2:58 pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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23rd Jun 2013 2:42 pm |
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npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090 |
Lets not turn it in to a heated argument again, this threads has had to be pulled before due to this happening Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis |
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23rd Jun 2013 2:48 pm |
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