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iain cooper



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oil overfilled again on service

just had my 2nd service, and again just like last year, oil overfilled by at least a litre !!

everything else was ok, but why oh why do they keep doing this ??

Iain

Post #105836 22nd Jun 2011 7:19 pm
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lmorris4975



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Take it somewhere else next time Thumbs Up

Post #105851 22nd Jun 2011 10:01 pm
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Pegleg



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Did you complain? Did you take the car back?
Overfilling can cause oil seals to leak. And worse.
I'd be furious. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Post #105856 22nd Jun 2011 11:44 pm
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is it definitely overfilled? I have found that by being on ground with even the slightest angle makes quite a difference to the reading on the dipstick. If it is overfilled by so much again, I wouldn't go back to them. 1st time FL2 owner. 2007 SE i6 in Tambora Flame.

Post #105858 23rd Jun 2011 1:46 am
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iain cooper



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yes like last time I took out just over a litre when I got home.

when you mention it to the customer service people they say bring it back in, but don't worry it'll burn off anyway ??

and I will take it somewhere else next year.

Iain

Post #105870 23rd Jun 2011 7:41 am
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iain cooper wrote:
yes like last time I took out just over a litre when I got home.

when you mention it to the customer service people they say bring it back in, but don't worry it'll burn off anyway ??

and I will take it somewhere else next year.

Iain


How did you take the surplus out? The only way I know without special equipment to suck it out would be opening the drain plug on the sump. A lot of hassle. I think I would have insisted on them doing it.

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iain cooper



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Colin,

I pumped it out via the dipstick hole using a plastic tube and a converted hand wash pump. ( from last year )

took about 15 minutes.

still less hassle for me than taking it back, although I agree that's what I should do

Iain

ps she's now sitting right on the top notch on the dipstick, and I'm happy.

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Well done. That's a good bit of improvisation Smile 1982 RR Classic-converted to 200TDi-gone
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Re: oil overfilled again on service

iain cooper wrote:

everything else was ok, but why oh why do they keep doing this ??

Iain


I suppose they do have one of these new guys fresh from school with no clue what to do!

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being a Scot did you keep the extra oil to put back in when needed Whistle At work
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Re: oil overfilled again on service

iain cooper wrote:
but why oh why do they keep doing this?

I think that the following could be an explanation...

To get the maximum out of the engine, the oil must be very hot in order to be very fluid and flow/drip out accordingly.
And of course to have enough patience to drain it as much as possible.
The oil refill, with filter, is 5.9 liters.
So...
1. Not warming up the engine oil to corresponding temperature, plus
2. Not having enough patience to let it all drain, plus
3. Pouring in a round figure of 6 liters,
gives us the reported problem of having in the end too much oil...

I've also seen that after service I have about 3-4 mm above max, but I don't worry as, when driving, the oil inside pan is moving a lot and those 3-4 mm doesn't count.
And the mechanics here have a good habit of draining the oil first and as long as they change other filters around the car, the oil still drips. Then in the end, the last operation is to plug the drain hole and fill it with fresh oil. In this way most of the old oil is taken out.

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iain cooper



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chicken george wrote:
being a Scot did you keep the extra oil to put back in when needed Whistle


of course CG, need you ask !!

Iain

Post #105901 23rd Jun 2011 1:12 pm
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iain cooper



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Re: oil overfilled again on service

alex_pescaru wrote:
iain cooper wrote:
but why oh why do they keep doing this?

I think that the following could be an explanation...

To get the maximum out of the engine, the oil must be very hot in order to be very fluid and flow/drip out accordingly.
And of course to have enough patience to drain it as much as possible.
The oil refill, with filter, is 5.9 liters.
So...
1. Not warming up the engine oil to corresponding temperature, plus
2. Not having enough patience to let it all drain, plus
3. Pouring in a round figure of 6 liters,
gives us the reported problem of having in the end too much oil...

I've also seen that after service I have about 3-4 mm above max, but I don't worry as, when driving, the oil inside pan is moving a lot and those 3-4 mm doesn't count.
And the mechanics here have a good habit of draining the oil first and as long as they change other filters around the car, the oil still drips. Then in the end, the last operation is to plug the drain hole and fill it with fresh oil. In this way most of the old oil is taken out.


yes Alex, could go a bit towards an explanation, but bloody annoying and incompetant.

I think in general the dealer services are major rip offs, but a necessary evil during the warranty period.

next year when she is three years old I may look for other avenues and/or do it myself.

Iain

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Having bought the vehicle second hand from LR dealer I have had the oil and filter changed twice. Once by the LR dealer and once by a 4x4 independent. In both cases the oil was 3 to 4 mm above top dipstick mark. Strange - almost as if it is standard practice. 2007 TD4 SE Manual
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iain cooper



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ptecuk wrote:
Having bought the vehicle second hand from LR dealer I have had the oil and filter changed twice. Once by the LR dealer and once by a 4x4 independent. In both cases the oil was 3 to 4 mm above top dipstick mark. Strange - almost as if it is standard practice.


Hi ptecuk,

and out of curiosity did it "burn off" as I am told it would ??

Iain

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