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James98

Member Since: 31 Jan 2023
Location: Oldham
Posts: 2

2011 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Indus Silver

FL2 low pressure fuel pump

Hi everyone, does anyone know if it is possible to remove the low pressure pump with the tank in place ? . I have an intermittent fault with the fuel gauge. One minute it’s half full ( which is about right ) then it’s showing reserves going into limp mode !! . Suspect it’s the fuel pump assembly and was thinking of changing the lot. Don’t fancy dropping the tank though . Appreciate any advice please .

31st Jan 2023 10:26 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5043

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

Freebie JLR manual : From page 1579 onwards

"The TD4 diesel fuel system incorporates a low and high-pressure (HP) circuit to provide the engine with sufficient fuel for
all operating conditions. The low-pressure (LP) system comprises:
Molded plastic saddle-type fuel tank
Fuel delivery module (with integral in-tank pump)
Fuel level sensors
Fuel supply and return lines
Fuel filter assembly.
• NOTE: Fuel is drawn from the fuel tank by the engine mounted lift pump. The in-tank pump does not deliver fuel to the
engine, and only delivers fuel through the 2 jet pumps to maintain fuel in the fuel delivery pot."

From looking in the JLR manual it looks like you need to remove the tank to get the fuel pump/sender unit out.

Also special tool needed for the pump unit locking ring. Jules

31st Jan 2023 11:19 pm

James98

Member Since: 31 Jan 2023
Location: Oldham
Posts: 2

Ok thanks for replying

1st Feb 2023 6:33 am

dreamlands

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: Down South
Posts: 77

2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Indus Silver

What's the pump that you can access from under the back seat then ? (just asking)

1st Feb 2023 7:41 am

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3140

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White

FL2s have a known problem with fuel tank wiring, see post, does this fit your symptoms?

https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic37591.html?highlight=fuel+pump FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

1st Feb 2023 8:52 am

BossBob

Member Since: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Bristol
Posts: 1391

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

dreamlands wrote:
What's the pump that you can access from under the back seat then ? (just asking)

That will be the low pressure pump!

1st Feb 2023 10:34 am

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5043

Haynes manual also says to remove the tank to remove the fuel pump unit and for once has some good pics - eg using a punch and hammer to undo the locking ring (with the fuel tank off I might add).

You can see the top of the unit through the under seat grommet and get to the wiring but maybe you cant get the unit out of the tank that way.

So if anyone has got the pump unit out of the tank without removing the tank - let us know please. Jules

1st Feb 2023 10:52 am

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3140

BossBob wrote:
dreamlands wrote:
What's the pump that you can access from under the back seat then ? (just asking)

That will be the low pressure pump!

Surely the pump in the tank just transfers fuel from one side to the other, and the low pressure system drawing fuel from the tank is done by the engine driven pump under the bonnet.

Unless I have missed something, the OP's symptoms are as my link above. Tank sender wiring at tank end. All other symptoms are caused by the car protecting itself against running out of fuel.

Fuel Gauge wiring is a known problem. It needs attention at fuel tank end and there is a Technical Bulletin and fix for it.

TECHNICAL BULLETIN
LTB00566v6
04 JUL 2014

Get the Wiring Fixed ASAP.

https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic30934.ht...+technical

https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic31656.html?highlight=fuel+gauge

Plenty of information on forum

https://www.freel2.com/forum/search.php?se...fuel+gauge FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

1st Feb 2023 1:00 pm

dreamlands

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: Down South
Posts: 77

Thanks Bossbob, I genuinely didn't know.

1st Feb 2023 1:33 pm

BossBob

Member Since: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Bristol
Posts: 1391

Sorry, IanMetro is correct. The pump in the tank only moves fuel from one side of the tank to the other, feeding a swirl pot that keeps the tank end of the fuel line supplied. Fuel is sucked up the fuel line and through the filter to the high pressure pump by the low pressure side of this pump, hence the reason for ensuring that the filter and fuel line are bled correctly when the filter is changed.

1st Feb 2023 2:19 pm

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3140

Forget worrying about the Fuel Pump.

This is a direct link to the Technical Bulletin and a full pictorial description on how to cure the problem

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2014/SB-10057588-6294.pdf FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

1st Feb 2023 4:14 pm

Labradorslave

Member Since: 15 Apr 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 474

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Stornoway Grey

IanMetro is correct-common fault on early FL2’s. The specialist I used dropped the tank to carry out the repair.

1st Feb 2023 7:52 pm

Arctic

Member Since: 24 Aug 2016
Location: Westmidlands
Posts: 560

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

Quote:
IanMetro wrote:
Forget worrying about the Fuel Pump.

This is a direct link to the Technical Bulletin and a full pictorial description on how to cure the problem

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2014/SB-10057588-6294.pdf

Hi Ian.
Thank you for the link, a quick question if anyone can answer it, what is so special about the connector LR050538 as opposed to other connectors the same.

https://www.jgs4x4.co.uk/cable-connector-l...60QAvD_BwE

10th Feb 2023 1:06 am

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5043

probably just the sticky label Jules

10th Feb 2023 1:41 pm

Valencia46

Member Since: 09 Apr 2023
Location: Valencia
Posts: 10

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 S Manual Aintree Green

IanMetro wrote:
Forget worrying about the Fuel Pump.

This is a direct link to the Technical Bulletin and a full pictorial description on how to cure the problem

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2014/SB-10057588-6294.pdf

Long story, short.
If I see things right, I should be able to remove the fuel pump without dropping the tank ??

When looking at the pics and reading the LR instructions they're not indicating tank removal.

Seems there is a small fuel filter in that pump. I want to change that filter.
Would be kind of dumb design right, to drop a fuel tank for the need to change a filter....

Last edited by Valencia46 on 10th Apr 2023 5:38 am. Edited 2 times in total

10th Apr 2023 5:22 am

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