taztastic wrote:

My inbox is lighting up with complaints about this thread, keep it civil or it's locked.

Ironically the complainers aren't posting

I thought we were being civil, apart from some petty name calling

I think it is civil there are others who are a tad sensitive

de1979 wrote:

Bout time we English got a vote on this!

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In the House of Lords, Baroness Symons argued that the rest of the UK should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence, on the grounds that it would affect the whole country. This argument was rejected by the British government, as the Advocate General for Scotland Lord Wallace said that "whether or not Scotland should leave the United Kingdom is a matter for Scotland"[38]

More desperation to keep Scotland tethered to the UK

taztastic wrote:

I think it is civil there are others who are a tad sensitive

TFFT!

Purplemadboy wrote:

Mikey wrote:

At 16, any person can leave school, get a job, pay their share of Income tax/N.I. Why shouldn't they have a say in how their country is run?

Because they are children with childish ideas .. wee nippy was grasping at straws that's why she changed the voting age.

Aye 16 year olds given vote .. Scottish military personnel deployed abroad couldn't vote yet some wee lassie doing a degree paper folding for a year had a vote on how we Scots had to live.

SNP corrupt to the core

Seems Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are all corrupt, and only the Tories are not

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The normal voting age was reduced from 18 to 16 for the referendum, as it was SNP policy to reduce the voting age for all elections in Scotland. The move was supported by Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Scottish Greens.

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Under the terms of the 2010 Draft Bill, the following people were entitled to vote in the referendum:

British citizens who were resident in Scotland;
citizens of other Commonwealth countries who were resident in Scotland;
citizens of other European Union countries who were resident in Scotland;
members of the House of Lords who were resident in Scotland;
Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the British Armed Forces or with Her Majesty's Government who were registered to vote in Scotland.

Tell me again why the armed forces were not allowed to vote?

Probably because they were registered to vote in the constituency where they live, you must have an address in the constituency where you vote, some armed forces members won't have that as they rent at the station they are posted to, it also causes problems if your house in Scotland is rented, therefore no longer your address. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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A vision of the future

2019 Brexit happens
2020 Indyref2 takes place & votes out. Ex. EU, EFTA & NATO
2021 Deal struck to retain Faslane & Coulport as British Sovereign territory, nukes stay.
2022 Scotland economy in dire straights, needs massive borrowing at exhorbitant rates
2023 Russia steps in & offers to bale out the economy with interest free loans - with strings attached
2024 Russian navy bases setup on the Forth and Loch Inver, with an airforce base at Cambeltown.
2025 Hard border constructed, visa access only.

It won't happen will it ? FL2 Ex D2, D3, RRS, etc. now all gone.

No

Scotland want rid of nukes

Economy will be just fine, latest data backs this up, despite almost no income from O+G sector

Mikey wrote:

Economy will be just fine

Economy? You don't even have a currency! But you would save money on indefinite referendums!

Mikey wrote:

No

Scotland want rid of nukes

Economy will be just fine, latest data backs this up, despite almost no income from O+G sector

O&G on its knees .. no currancy , no credit rating apart if you count as good as Kazakhstan, no nukes means 1000's out of work in supporting companies , no RN ships being built , more unemployed as basically RN ships are the only thing that's being built on the Clyde .. never mind that we will have freeeeddddduuumm from the horrible English , don't try and say it's freedom from Westminster, that's just a smokescreen from the snp's hatred of all things English/British .
The snp are holding a 2 day debate on Indy2 , not once did wee nippy get on her feet to defend her record on schooling , NHS , police Scotland or the economy. Over 2000,000 people have signed an online petition against another referendum. Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

Scotland is in a mess but believe me it can become much worse, something needs to be done to save our great country.

Iain

Mikey wrote:

de1979 wrote:

Bout time we English got a vote on this!

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In the House of Lords, Baroness Symons argued that the rest of the UK should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence, on the grounds that it would affect the whole country. This argument was rejected by the British government, as the Advocate General for Scotland Lord Wallace said that "whether or not Scotland should leave the United Kingdom is a matter for Scotland"[38]

More desperation to keep Scotland tethered to the UK

It's not a mystery, She is a Nationalist. That's the main focus of her party. She is just frock wearing version of Nigel Farage. A single policy manifesto pusher . Farage, used the EU bogeyman and Immigrants, to drive his campaign, Sturgeon uses the "Evil Empire" of Westminster and Brexit, just stopping short of overt racism . When people are disenchanted they will vote for uncertain change, and this is her moment, she has a new " Wicked Witch, ignoring the will of the Scottish people " So of course she will go for it.

The sad fact is if she wins independence 1/2 the Scottish peoples will feel outsiders in their own country, just like us Remoaners do throughout the UK. The other sad fact, demonstrated by INEOS at Grangemouth is that global business will not tolerate anything that is adverse to their own interests. Add a landborder with a competing country that has the critical mass and better infrastructure to beat you in attracting investment, and Sturgeon will not have an easy ride if she wins. As I said though she is like a Farage, when/if she gets independence she can be lauded as a saviour of her nation then disappear and leave some other poor mug to deliver  2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

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If you take part in a democratic vote, you have to be prepared to accept either outcome.

Poison dwarf of the north was quite happy to vote in the EU referendum when it looked certain Remain would win, quite happy to use her several million votes to try and influence the decision one way, then refuses to accept the collective result when it doesn't go the way she thought.

SNP should have abstained from voting if the toys were going to come flying out of the pram straight after.

Not that anyone really that's why she's after another referendum, just a good excuse.

A few observations from an Anglo British who would have preferred the UK to stay in the EU and believes in the Union of the United Kingdom

Whilst there is a case for referenda in exceptional circumstances, you would think that we would have learned by now how damaging they can be both in terms of the cost and time taken but especially how they can cause deep divisions in our society and provide the opportunity for the "low life" that exists on both sides of the debate to exploit the situation with hatred and bile. There are some nasty people about. Also, trying to deal with a complex issue with a binary question does not work. ie all this " we voted to leave the EU but didn't vote to leave the Single Market" etc etc etc

If a referendum is the only choice.....
A clear majority should be required for any change from the status quo. 45/55 40/60 or 50% of all those eligible to vote. 49.5/50.5 of those who voted is not a reason to take a great leap of faith into the unknown

As for Scottish Independence?? Well I guess that should be up to the Scots to decide. personally I think it would be a great shame to break up the Union. (If my history is correct it was James 6th of Scotland who became James 1st of England) I cannot follow the SNP arguments. two years ago Scotland voted to remain in the UK and 6 months ago The UK voted to leave the EU!! As for all this talk of Scotland not being represented in Westminster. UK has had two Scottish Prime Ministers and countless Scottish Ministers over the past 20 years. there are around 60 Scottish UK MP's. Some people only seem to believe in democracy when it agrees with their own points of view

It is only a few years ago that politicians were falling over themselves trying to occupy the same bit of centre ground. Now we have extreme left and extreme right here and around the World. I don't like it

Oh yeah just meant to add that te lesson from Brexit is that it has nothing or little to do with the economy. Those that want "out" want out whatever the cost

Anyway, nuff said. I will try and stick to Land Rover stuff on here from now on

Steve