Have just had a reply from the AA Technical dept. ( cars not booze) re my
question about adding 2T oil to diesel fuel. They are of the opinion that as
all UK diesel fuel contains biodiesel that no futher additives are required.
The biodiesel was added to replace the lost lubricating properties of the
sulphur. I hope this has not already been mentioned in this long thread.

A sensible answer at long last

davidgarside1  ______________________
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2012 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE
2013 Kawasaki Versys 650

Yes it was mentioned earlier but could easily have been overlooked.
2Stoke is not needed but it is an additive that has bonus properties as long as you get the correct grade.
If it's good enough for Mercs and my 10 year old FL1 then it's good enough for my new FL2 or any other Des engine. OH by the way I used to use it in a Vauxhall Cavalier 1st Deisel they had with an Isuzu power plant in 1993 still see the car and although looking jaded now still runs great.(and I never knew about the different grades then.) Offset your Carbon emissions by boycotting Baked Beans and all Green Vegitables.

Dave wrote:

A sensible answer at long last

davidgarside1

Not quite Dave!

Biodiesel contains ethanol, and ethanol as we all know is hygroscopic .......

There has been an increase in CRD component failure, AFTER bio diesel was added to fuel.

But as this is a free world, some will take advise from highly experienced contributors to this forum such as YF and others rather choose the ostrich approach.

I for one have been using 2sO since 1974 and have never lost an engine. Some of my cars I drove to over 500'000km and one to over 1 Mio km here in SA With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

I'm sure the sensible answer cane from the AA

After all the fuel companies would add bio fuels unless it was actually needed Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

npinks wrote:

I'm sure the sensible answer cane from the AA

After all the fuel companies would add bio fuels unless it was actually needed

To honest DiscoGeorge I dont give two hoots whether any counter arguments have impressed you or your new best friend

The fact you Say there not based on hard fact, infact I guess there based on the same hard facts this thread is based on, absolutely none at all None that have been published anyway!!

I still stand with the majority of the world that find their engines don't break down just because they don't agree with a nameless login name on the internet Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

DiscoGeorge,

Firstly, you prove to me that YF is "highly experienced".

Secondly, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, you can't prove didly squat so quit preaching and sticking your nose up YF's arse until you can come up with some real facts.

You really are starting to get on my ..............get  ______________________
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2012 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE
2013 Kawasaki Versys 650

Nice way to argument Dave

It is quite a sad state that one can sink so low and use such despicable language - shame on you! With kind regards
DiscoGeorge
1998 Disco1 ES 300Tdi with twin TrueTracs
2005 Disco3 TDV6 S
And some more serious stuff

I feel no shame whatsoever, I'm telling what I think.

Move on...... ______________________
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2012 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE
2013 Kawasaki Versys 650

Seems to me that he is giving us the benefit of his experience, those who do not appreciate it do not need to take the advice, no need to get shirty with the guy. The 2 guys I most rust with my Landrovers have both been trained on LRs in South Africa, their knowledge goes way beyond that of young whizz kids in a Franchaise outlet.

Main dealers had to put a new ECU unit in my vehicle because they had made a cock-up of a replacement key.
They tried to blame it on me saying that I must have changed the locks at some time. Knowing intimately about the BMW gate key system drove a whopping big hole through their defences. Very rarely will I trust a so called Expert or Specialist. I prefer those with proper knowledge. Offset your Carbon emissions by boycotting Baked Beans and all Green Vegitables.

EXPENCELANDER wrote:

Dave wrote:

DiscoGeorge,

Firstly, you prove to me that YF is "highly experienced".

Secondly, GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, you can't prove didly squat so quit preaching and sticking your nose up YF's arse until you can come up with some real facts.

You really are starting to get on my tits..............get F D

Seems to me that he is giving us the benefit of his experience, those who do not appreciate it do not need to take the advice, no need to get shirty with the guy. The 2 guys I most rust with my Landrovers have both been trained on LRs in South Africa, their knowledge goes way beyond that of young whizz kids in a Franchaise outlet.

Main dealers had to put a new ECU unit in my vehicle because they had made a cock-up of a replacement key.
They tried to blame it on me saying that I must have changed the locks at some time. Knowing intimately about the BMW gate key system drove a whopping big hole through their defences. Very rarely will I trust a so called Expert or Specialist. I prefer those with proper knowledge.

Guys, let's keep the thread clean, as it is read (and linked to) by many people, even outside the FL2 community.

Maybe the proof from DiscoGeorge is somewhat between the lines of his posts.
Lets see...
From a previous post, you (DiscoGeorge) said that you are doing 85,000 km/year. You used to do 150,000 km/year.
This will translate in about 3 to 600 km/day.
We all also know that such a distance could be covered only in pretty much time.
A simple count will give us 5 to 10 hours of driving/engine running.
So generally speaking, your cars' engines were engines that run pretty constant.
An engine which runs in a constant condition mode is an engine less prone to wear.
BUT, in the same long time, the CRD system is working and circulates fuel. Mixed or not with 2sO.
So we have here the basis - this long time of fuel circulating the CRD system - for properly formulating a conclussion if 2sO is good or bad.
Now it must be raised the following question:
Did you or your working colleague have an engine (or more than one) which was used WITHOUT 2sO, that worked the same distance/time as your engine that we know that eaten 2sO?
If yes, and all the engines run for the same BIG amount of time, then:
How many engines were used with 2sO and how many without?
From each group, how many failed and how many were without problems?
How many from those problems were lubrication related?

In other words, because all of us need proof, lets look for it.
We may have the premises of the experiment: engines, long period of running, etc., if DiscoGeorge could came up with some statistic data from its (or fellow coleagues) experiences.
Lets try to formulate a conclusion, even if it is empiric at the beginning.

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