Carlfraz, I have thought about this too. But it is a lot of work, especially to link the ACEA oil norms to the very many oils on the market, and than link such oils to the type of engine (Petrol without catalysator, Petrol with catalysator, Diesel TDI, Diesel CDI, Diesel with DPF). But I will try and come back as soon as I have time.
Promised!
YF

NickJan, we are all aware that the FL2 TD4 engine is a cooperartion between Peugeot and Ford. Ford recommends a motor oil for the TD4 as per their own norm 913B which is a very simple oil as per ACEA A1/B1 with a reduced HTHS value (shearing stability under temperature). Peugeot demands for the similar engine used in their cars motor oil which must fulfill the specification as per ACEA B4 with a high HTHS value.
So why is Ford so generous (or simply unwise) to allow such a simple motor oil in such high tech engine? The answer knows only Ford. But Ford only "recommends" to use motor oils as per 913A/B, they do not demand it.
So you can savely use better motor oils in your TD4 without the fear of loosing your warranty/guarantee.
I would strongly recommend NOT to use any motor oil which conforms to 913A/B or ACEA A1/B1 in our TD4 engines. Use any motor oil which conforms to ACEA B4-B5, as a top up and when making your oil change.
I would even recommend to change your motor oil immediately after having collected your FL2. Check with your dealer/workshop what motor oils they are using (ACEA-norm). If they use oils for the TD4 which do not conform to ACEA B4-B5, buy the suitable oil yourself and deliver to the dealer/workshop. In Germany, this is general practice by now (after protests at the beginning). This advise is valid only for those FL2 owners, who want to drive their Freely 2 for a longer period.

YF

Many many thanks for that clear info Yamaha-fan.

I will call my dealer and ask what oil what in the car at new. Life is not a dress rehearsal!

Here you can find a list for recommended Mobil oils:

http://oil.ie/TopUpGuide.pdf

And yes, the FL2 is in the list as well ! But...

It surprises me that the oil for the FL2 is different from the one they recommend for the Citroën and Peugeot equipped with the same engine. Because of the single turbo in the Freelander vs. the double one in the Citroën and Peugeot ?
For the Ford Mondeo however, Mobil Super FE Special 5W30 should be used, the same as for the FL2. But why you may use also Mobil 1 0W30 in the Mondeo and not in the FL2 ? And why this difference in viscosity ? (Super: 5W30 and Mobil 1: 0W30)

Paul, please be careful. The Mobil-oil list you refer to is from 2006 and does not appreciate the required oil for diesel engines with DPF.

Ciao
YF

1) do you have a more recent list ?
and
2) is there any reason why you shouldn't use the ESP oil if you don't have a DPF ?

I use Mobil 1 0W-30 Fuel Economy (fully synthetic), the reason being that is what the local LR garage uses. It meets Ford WSS-M2C913-A/913-B, ACEA A1/B1 A5/B5. I did question why the viscosity used wasn't 5W-30. The Service Manger then called Landrover technical and they confirmed it was OK for the diesel FL2.

0W30 is more liquid than 5W30 when it's cold. This makes starting at low temperatures easier. At a normal operating temperature, the liquidity is the same.

So it is strange to see that for a Ford Mondeo whereas the Super 5W30 is recommended, the alternative is Mobil 1 0W30 (though Mobil 1 5W30 exists as well).

It is amazing how may types of Mobil 1 can be found. I know that it is one of the best available oils and use it for many years but their classifications are very confusing.

Paul, yes it makes a difference if you use motor oils appoved for engines with DPF if you DO NOT have a DPF.
If you carefully read the technical data of such oils, it is obvious that the motor oils suitable for engines with DPF are only a compromise between the best possible basic oils and additives, as the DPF does not "like" certain additives, which are otherwise "good" for the engine. So most motor oils approved for use with DPF are HC-oils (hydrocrack-oils) or semi-synthetic oils, but NOT fully synthetic oils.
So if I would have a diesel engine without DPF, I would use the best (fully synthetic) motor oil I could get for my engine. And this is presently Mobil 1 0W40 or 5W40 syntron (or syntech in some countries).
One more thing: Mobil 1 is not always Mobil 1. Only the "syntron" or "Syntech" oils are outstanding in its specification as can be seen by the appoval and recommendation of all "premium" car manufacturers such as
Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Alfa Romeo, Maserati and the like. It is a pity that Ford does not seem to appreciate this.

YF

yamaha-fan wrote:

Paul, yes it makes a difference if you use motor oils appoved for engines with DPF if you DO NOT have a DPF.
If you carefully read the technical data of such oils, it is obvious that the motor oils suitable for engines with DPF are only a compromise between the best possible basic oils and additives, as the DPF does not "like" certain additives, which are otherwise "good" for the engine. So most motor oils approved for use with DPF are HC-oils (hydrocrack-oils) or semi-synthetic oils, but NOT fully synthetic oils.

This morning I had the opportunity to talk with a representative of Mobil so I asked him for advice about the right oil choice for the FL2, in particular the difference between the "ESP" and the "normal" Mobil 1.
He answered me that indeed the ESP version doesn't have some of the -metal based- additives of the "normal" one anylonger. Those are replaced by others that are less harmful for the DPF and environment but not less effective so the ESP version should be safe to use.

At work I was looking a variant of Mobil 1 for an application, and was shocked to find out how we get severly screwed over on pricing.....

The average price in the US is $6 per quart (0.9 lt) where as in the UK it's 11 pounds per litre!!!!! China has a simlar price to the US.

Even if you take in account the actual rate of the US$ it is indeed a shame.
BTW have you ever compared the price of American cars sold in the USA and in Europe ? I'm sure you'ld be shocked even more...

As regards the Mobil 1 oil, I noticed that some people believe the biggest difference between the normal one and the ESP version is the price.

Who knows ?

Paul, I do not want to argue with you, but where did you find "fully synthetic motor oil" on the Mobil 1 ESP oil bottle? (ESP = emission system protection). I have had a very good look on my Mobil 1 ESP 1-Litre bottles dedosited in my garage, but I cannot find any hint whatsoever saying or declaring that this motor oil is fully synthetik. Which in my humble opinion is correct, as synthetic motor oils have a very high HTHS value, and are therefor very heat-resistent and are difficult - if not impossible - to burn to clean the DPF.

YF

No problem Yamaha-fan. I have always been very interested in the motor oils issue and I appreciate your posts very much.
It is indeed strange that on some packaging of the 5W30 ESP you don't find the mention "fully synthetic" whereas on others you do:

http://www.nauto.sk/sub/nauto.sk/component...5ddab9.jpg

It looked strange to me as well so I called the representative of Mobil oils once more and asked him if the composition was changed. He answered me that it has not been changed at all. Sometimes they put "fully synthetic motor oil" on the label, sometimes they don't...

Actually the mention "full synthetic" means 60 or 70 % of full synthetic oil (!) not 100 %

Still according to him the percentage of synthetic oil in the regular Mobil 1 isn't higher.

Interesting stuff to read:
http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads.php/ub...d/1#import


It seems that once again they deceive the customer into whatever they want.