The LR wiring kit for 13 pin will come with pin 10 (ign live) and pin 11 (earth for pin 10) already wired. If it isn't then it ain't the genuine kit. I say this because I saved 30% of the LR price by buying mine from a German on-line supplier and then adding the extra wire from the towing module to the connector by the fuse box (Germans don't do battery charging as they generally don't have batteries in the caravan).

Don't be fobbed off with some customers want this and some that. The genuine wiring kit is plug and play into the cars exisiting wiring loom; the choice being 12N, 12N+S or 13 Pin. 12N+12S and 13PIN are the same kit upto the sockets, so really the are only two choices 12 N or full set.

2 secs to check with the circuit tester though. If it isn't wired properly, then at least you will have the amusement value of getting someone in the workshop to try and explain something to you that they haven't a clue about (but you have) before they then telphone a local towbar fitter who has probably done the work for them  Freelander 2.2e HSE , Privacy, Fully debadged, 19" Chrome SHadow alloys

Thanks for all of your advice, the reason we went for negotiating the proper LR towbar and electrics from the dealer is so that if there any problems LR cannot say "it's down to the towbar electrics" leaving the poor old customer stuck between the towbar installers and LR. Funny thing is LR don't make ther own towbars, they all buy them from the main towbar makers (brink, Thule etc and stick there label on it. I am sure the wiring kits come from someone else as well. At least if it's got LR all over it and it's fitted by a dealer I should have some comeback if there are problems. Cynical?, perhaps but a wise man once told me cynasism is a state of mind brought on by experience. I believe it's Audi that will not honour the vehicle warranty unless the towbar is fitted by them.

This is not a CG friendly topic, as it involves caravans. I am suprised he is not onto it yet.  2010 Freelander 2 Select TD4 auto....gone
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towbar electric seem to give vaners plenty of trouble , no need for me to get involved

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My 13 pin socket and towbar were fitted by the dealer and as far as I remember the wiring kit (the LR one) is different to the seperate 12N and 12S wiring kits.
Luckily I tried mine when I got home ,rather than wait till I needed to use it,and it didn,t work, so had to go back to the dealer who must have forgot to re programme the software.

Using 1stFL's topic as a good title, I need some advice from the electrical guru's.
I may have a need in the near future to change my towing electrics from 12n/12s (LR dealer fitted) to the single 13 pin. I've investigated the wiring kit from LR and it's about £180 . You can buy a converter lead which has the two connectors at one end and a single at the other but it looks a bit naff.
Surely if I disconnected the battery and cut the connections at the back of the 12n/12s sockets I could wire these directly into a new 13 pin socket couldn't I ? It seems fairly straightforward as I have a diagram and the sockets and wires are all colour/number coded and I'm sure I'm capable of doing this, but would it need a LR reset.
All comments appreciated

I to am going down the same route with regards the 13 pin as the adapter is a tad naff (its just so b y bulky)
I cannot see that changing from 12s & 12N to a 13 pin would mean that LR would need to change anything, after all it does the same things just with one plug instead of two

BFGLR2Man is the man who may know

So does your trailor have 13 pin now and you use the adaptor to link up to your cars 12n/12s or is it t'other way round Either way by removing the adaptor and wiring direct your not actually changing anything except removing 3 plug connections.

Mcphersonstrut you can just buy a plug that fits direct into the 13 pin socket that has the 12N outlet without the length of cable. My Fl is a 13 pin and I have the adaptor socket for my trailer. It's much easier and safer than cutting wires and only costs about £10. Try this link http://www.caravanstuff4u.co.uk/product1381.html Ralph
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Yes seen them Ralphy your spot on. But my car is currently 12n/12s and I need to change these as were thinking of getting a new touring c n which will be 13 pin. Thanks for your input.

mcphersonstrut wrote:

Yes seen them Ralphy your spot on. But my car is currently 12n/12s and I need to change these as were thinking of getting a new touring c n which will be 13 pin. Thanks for your input.

http://www.bamfordtrading.com/products/602...luded.html ? 

mcphersonstrut wrote:

So does your trailor have 13 pin now and you use the adaptor to link up to your cars 12n/12s or is it t'other way round Either way by removing the adaptor and wiring direct your not actually changing anything except removing 3 plug connections.

Mcpfers, yes when I upgraded last year it as all new trailors of this kind have for about 3 maybe 4 years now it came with a 13 pin, but I was given the adapter by the dealer as part of the deal but it adds about 18 inches and the plug and socket is not something small. I still need 12n but as Ralph has said the adapter to go from 13 pin to 12n is just a plug in socket no length of cable etc.

Changing to a 13 pin is dead easy, assuming a little electrical know how. Once you take of the two existing sockets then just fed both 7 core cables into the back of the 13 pin socket and wire up as appropriate. This may require the grommit on the back of the 13 pin socket to be enlarged, or stripping away more of the outer cable sheafs on the two 7 pin sockets and then re weather proffing with heat shrink tape.  Freelander 2.2e HSE , Privacy, Fully debadged, 19" Chrome SHadow alloys

Many thanks B'Man, that's the answer I needed