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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

I should have kept a sample, it's pretty neat looking cable when viewed as a cross section. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Post #441722 18th May 2024 9:59 pm
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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

Our Ioniq 5 has arrived.
It compares very well to the Freelander 2, dimensionally speaking. However that's where any similarities end.
Drive wise, the Freelander 2 is good, but this Ioniq is absolutely lightyears ahead of it.

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 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Post #442004 30th May 2024 11:34 am
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Just a driver



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Stornoway Grey

Looks very nice, enjoy.

Post #442005 30th May 2024 11:37 am
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Mowog



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That looks a nice car.
Keep us informed of the performance etc.

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MartynB



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Smashing colour , very understated and stealthy looking motor , enjoy driving it ! 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Post #442027 30th May 2024 7:51 pm
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jules



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

Nodge68 wrote:
Our Ioniq 5 has arrived.
It compares very well to the Freelander 2, dimensionally speaking. However that's where any similarities end.
Drive wise, the Freelander 2 is good, but this Ioniq is absolutely lightyears ahead of it.

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Whats the boot space like (looks to me like its quite a bit less), and its towing capacity ? Jules

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

Mowog wrote:
That looks a nice car.
Keep us informed of the performance etc.

Will do.

MartynB wrote:
Smashing colour , very understated and stealthy looking motor , enjoy driving it !

The wife chose the colour, I wasn't so sure, but now I've seen it in real life, it does look good. Were weren't looking for flashy, just something comfortable and practical, which I'm hoping this is.

jules wrote:


Whats the boot space like (looks to me like its quite a bit less), and its towing capacity ?


The Ionic 5 boot space is pretty comparable to the Freelander.

The I 5 boot width at the narrowest point is 1040mm, the Freelander is 1001mm.

The boot floor depth from the tail door inner panel to the back seats is 1060mm, with the Freelander being 864mm.

With the rear seats folded, the I 5 has a total length of 1810mm, the Freelander being 1545mm.

Boot space above the parcel shelf is less (the I 5 uses the same pull out roller style shelf) because of the steeper rear window, but the extra length and width make up for that.

The I 5 has a total capacity of 527L, the Freelander has 755L, but it should be noted that the Freelander capacity also includes the space above the the parcel shelf to the roof, whereas the I 5 is measured below the parcel shelf.

The I 5 also has an additional 80L of space under the bonnet, which the Freelander can't have as there's an engine in the way.

Space for passengers is also better, as the EV architecture allows for a completely flat floor, with more space between the seats.
The wheel base is 3000mm, compared to the Freelander's 2660mm, that extra space is going towards additional passenger leg room.

The Ioniq 5 is rated to tow 1600kg, although that's irrelevant to me as I won't be towing with it.

We chose something that looked nice not flashy and was as close to the Freelander 2 as possible, as the vehicle will do duty as a load lugger with stuff to Uni, as well as holiday drives to various places in the UK, and maybe even northern Europe on occasion. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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Hyundia/Kia produce some of the best, affordable, EVs, so I think that Nodge has chosen well.

I can see the very FL2 sized EV5 will make interesting reading for Freel2 members when it appears next year.

It seems to be based on a cheaper 400v architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_EV5

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/kia-ev5 FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Mowog



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The NMC battery doesn’t look very powerful on the EV5?

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

IanMetro wrote:
Hyundia/Kia produce some of the best, affordable, EVs, so I think that Nodge has chosen well.

I can see the very FL2 sized EV5 will make interesting reading for Freel2 members when it appears next year.

It seems to be based on a cheaper 400v architecture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_EV5

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/kia-ev5


Thanks Ian.

The next few years will see a large number of new and interesting EVs appear in the scene.
Who knows, even more LR fans (I included me there) will be tempted to move away from the green oval, or maybe stick with the brand, once LRs EVs hit the market. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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Mowog



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Well I wouldn’t trust Land Rover………….
It’s the dealers attitude as well as the Censored product.

Looks like that Hyundai is a better bet than a Land Rover electric

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

Mowog wrote:
The NMC battery doesn’t look very powerful on the EV5?


What do you mean by not very powerful?
If you mean in kWhr capacity, then anything over 80 kWhr is very good. Our I5 has a usable 77.4 kWhr capacity, which is enough energy to get this 2 tonne, not aerodynamic, large hatchback, about 280 miles if driven with restraint.

EVs with 100 kWhr batteries have ranges approaching 380 miles, which is completely unnecessary for a large majority of drivers.

If you mean powerful as in the motor horse power, then it's difficult to compare engine BHP with motor BHP, as the way the power is developed is very different.

A vehicle with a 200 BHP electric motor will be faster to accelerate than the same vehicle with a 200 BHP petrol engine.

I use our Ioniq 5 again as an example. Ours is a RWD long range I5 which is rated at 225 BHP, which is enough to get it from 0 to 100kph in a 7.2 seconds, it was actually 6.7 seconds when tested, but that's not uncommon. What is more important is this a hatchback with larger external dimensions than a Freelander 2, and about 200kg more weight.
A Freelander I6 has a very similar power output of 229 BHP, and is no slouch as a result. LRs official 0 to 100 kph is 8.4 seconds (I've seen a road test put it as 7.7 seconds), so 1.2 seconds (official
figures) behind the I5, dispite the 10% weight advantage.

The reason that an equivalent power EV is faster, even when carrying more weight is to do with the torque output of the electric motor.
An ICE will only output maximum torque over a pretty small part of its RPM range, so high RPM is needed to generate maximum power.
An electric motor on the other hand has a much wider spread of torque, basically from zero RPM upwards, meaning this continuous torque is able to push the EV harder under acceleration, hence the faster times.

Obviously if maximum power is used constantly, the battery will be depleted very quickly, but that's the same with internal combustion engines too. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Post #442065 31st May 2024 2:39 pm
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Mowog



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Dont exported models from China have a smaller, different type of battery, than the models kept in China?
Probably that type of battery is not allowed to be shipped in containers.

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Just a driver



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Stornoway Grey

For lots more EV to appear it will need lots of people to agree to be in debt, or lease as they like to call it as it sounds better than debt. There is a lot like us who only buy what they have the money for, yes we will never have a new object but it will be our object. I can see a lot more propaganda going out to get more people into debt for an EV . I don’t see us getting one though.

Post #442070 31st May 2024 3:41 pm
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Mowog



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Good point
I would never have a car on hp,pcp,lease, tick,never never or whatever sounds trendiest.
It’s still DEBT.
If you take the price of a car xxx pounds
Why would you give a finance company xxxx pounds plus even more pounds?

I suppose half the people on the roads don’t even know how much the car cost!
It’s £499 per month end of.

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