Mowog wrote:

How much is an ionic?
You have to factor the cost of the car into the equation
How much a mile does it cost at 50 mpg on petrol.?
Not sure if the saving is as much as you make out.
For example how much does it cost to charge other than at home?( assuming you find a charger)
I am not convinced
I prefer to decide on the model of car and not have to buy something different just cos it’s electric.

I don’t sign up to the save the World ethic when China pollutes the way it does.

Absolute
China India Russia

Do you honestly think China, the country that eats dogs,keeps bears for bile gives a toss about the rest of the World? ( apart from its greedy ambitions)

Never ever ever ever give China any degree of praise

If only we didn’t have to buy the Chinese they sell.

Lots of it substandard.

Yes I know all about the Chinese made cars etc

The fact is our contribution to saving the planet is pathetic whilst the big polluters carry on the dirty work

UK wouldnt be anywhere near as "green" as it claims to be if it included all the pollution from the products we buy that are now manufactured abroad.

Its a bit like plastic recycling. Once countries stopped accepting our plastic waste, its now being kept in the UK and incinerated or dumped in legal and illegal land fills - most still goes into land fill.

Something isnt recycled until it is actually made into something else. Jules

I would bet that uk is far greener than India China and Russia
Regardless of our plastic bottles fate

Mowog wrote:

Absolute
China India Russia

Do you honestly think China, the country that eats dogs,keeps bears for bile gives a toss about the rest of the World? ( apart from its greedy ambitions)

Never ever ever ever give China any degree of praise

If only we didn’t have to buy the Chinese they sell.

Lots of it substandard.

Yes I know all about the Chinese made cars etc

The fact is our contribution to saving the planet is pathetic whilst the big polluters carry on the dirty work

Lets be honest.
The only reason why stufff is made in china is because the Great British want cheap stuff and dont wish pay to have stuff made in the UK.
And manufacturers can make more profit by getting stuff made in China than in the Uk. Jules

From a cycling point of view (from what Ive read) the best carbon frames are now made in Taiwan, where all the expertise exists.

I have a titanium bike - its lovely - assembled in the UK, but the frame was made in the Far East. Jules

jules wrote:

Lets be honest.
The only reason why stufff is made in china is because the Great British want cheap stuff and dont wish pay to have stuff made in the UK.
And manufacturers can make more profit by getting stuff made in China than in the Uk.

jules wrote:

From a cycling point of view (from what Ive read) the best carbon frames are now made in Taiwan, where all the expertise exists.

I have a titanium bike - its lovely - assembled in the UK, but the frame was made in the Far East.

Nodge68 wrote:

jules wrote:

Lets be honest.
The only reason why stufff is made in china is because the Great British want cheap stuff and dont wish pay to have stuff made in the UK.
And manufacturers can make more profit by getting stuff made in China than in the Uk.

Not just the UK either, most of the Western world uses China and other Eastern countries to manufacture items because it's cheaper.
Sad but true.

jules wrote:

From a cycling point of view (from what Ive read) the best carbon frames are now made in Taiwan, where all the expertise exists.

I have a titanium bike - its lovely - assembled in the UK, but the frame was made in the Far East.

Nodge68 wrote:

jules wrote:

From a cycling point of view (from what Ive read) the best carbon frames are now made in Taiwan, where all the expertise exists.

I have a titanium bike - its lovely - assembled in the UK, but the frame was made in the Far East.

A few years ago I treated myself to a nice mountain bike, my first new bike I'd bought. I was surprised to see it's made in Indonesia, even though it's from a top brand.
I shouldn't have been surprised, as almost nothing is made in the UK anymore.

You should have bought a Shand then.

Cheap labour = cheap products = less environmental controls we are all guilty as charged!

Also if a buisness has access to cheap labour as well as reducing costs it helps control wages in other parts of their business as they hold it over the others when they ask for wage increases.

MartynB wrote:

Nodge68 wrote:

jules wrote:

Lets be honest.
The only reason why stufff is made in china is because the Great British want cheap stuff and dont wish pay to have stuff made in the UK.
And manufacturers can make more profit by getting stuff made in China than in the Uk.

Not just the UK either, most of the Western world uses China and other Eastern countries to manufacture items because it's cheaper.
Sad but true.

We had a call yesterday , our newly ordered Clio Esprit Alpine full hybrid will be shipped from the plant on 25th May . The blurb on the car makes much of the Tricolor woven into the dash board fabric , the Bleu , Blanche et Rouge stitching on the steering wheel ….

The plant is in Turkey ..