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dondiddy



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At the time of writing there are 151 electric cars for sale on Autotrader under 5K and not all of them are Nissan Leaf`s!. Before anyone else says it I don`t think there was any that would tow 3.5 tons up the side of Everest after driving from John o` Groats on a single charge, but there was a decent range of cars to pick from including a GTM kit car converted by Bradford Uni to battery power! Thumbs Up

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Mowog



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Ha ha
And who would be daft enough to buy one Rolling with laughter

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Kot



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Mowog wrote:
Well one of my neighbours has an MG ev
He says it’s the worst thing he ever did to buy it.
He had a 3 yr old S class Merc diesel and wanted to go to cheap ev.

He is the guy with the nightmare travelling to Southampton from Chester.

He cant sell it without incurring a big loss, bigger than normally expected.

If it costs me £60 to do 450 miles on petrol then I am happy.

I can’t do anything meaningful about climate change unless India, China and the rest help as well.


Thumbs Up Having worked in India you have to see it to believe it. Then there is Russia! say no more

Post #441157 26th Apr 2024 8:32 am
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Mowog



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dondiddy wrote:
At the time of writing there are 151 electric cars for sale on Autotrader under 5K and not all of them are Nissan Leaf`s!. Before anyone else says it I don`t think there was any that would tow 3.5 tons up the side of Everest after driving from John o` Groats on a single charge, but there was a decent range of cars to pick from including a GTM kit car converted by Bradford Uni to battery power! Thumbs Up



I see some of those advertised say “ battery lease”
What’s that all about?

Post #441158 26th Apr 2024 8:37 am
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dondiddy



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Ah! tempted are we! The battery lease is I think mainly from Renault who lease the battery to you for a monthly fee based on your estimated mileage which was introduced to lower the purchase price to match as close as possible the cost of a diesel model and remove the worry of being stuck with the replacement cost of a battery. Renault are no longer offering the lease on (at least) the new Zoe as residuals on 2nd hand models are high and batteries are typically still in good condition after years of use.

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Mowog



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Tempted ? Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
When I have a 2 month old F55 Mini Cooper s exclusive with all the goodies including active suspension.
The 2 litre is doing 72 mph at 1,800 rpm
50 mpg
Why would I want an electric car?

Post #441160 26th Apr 2024 10:39 am
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Just a driver



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Is the term lease just a new posh buzz word for the never never Very Happy

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Just a driver



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Nodge68 wrote:
MG5 estate (a favourite of taxi drivers) would possibly cover those requirements. Can be found for £10k second hand, plenty of space, very cheap to run, and completely free RFL. Wink

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra

I was thinking more this sort of bracket. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra
It’s main job is to tow a caravan

Post #441162 26th Apr 2024 12:16 pm
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NavyDoc



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I would always be wary of a BMW in white without options such as leather, as a risk it could be an ex police car. The main suspect are the 330d touring which are ex-traffic vehicles. If you read adverts, many have needed new engines. Apparently someone to do with these cars sitting idling at roadside for long periods then driven hard. There’s lots of articles on internet and you tube. Caveat emptor.

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Just a driver



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Thanks for the tip. It was not necessarily that car just more the price bracket. Thought of volvo or bmw as they are rear wheel drive for towing the caravan. Still fingers crossed when the mechanic comes to look at the freelander the problem is small and cheap to repair.

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

The Ioniq 5 we've ordered is rated to tow 1600kg, not that it's something we'll be doing. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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IanMetro



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Saw this nice Ioniq 5 AWD for sale, I must admit on paper it looks idea replacement for an FL2.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra

This is the website I use to check the all-important (at my age) accessability, legroom and bootsize.

https://www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/o...aloon-2022

https://www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/o...22-5dr-4x4 FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Dartman the one



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It may be rated to tow1600kg but how far on a charge and there is a considerable difference between rated to tow and designed to tow, designed to tow tends to be limited to the larger 4x4's such as the Toyota Amazon, Nissan Patrol, pickups and every Land Rover ever built. I have considerably large doubts the the new breed of super SUV's like Bentley, Rolls Royce and Aston Martin are designed to tow or the customers that buy them want to, the Audi E-tron 4x4 has a range of 90 miles towing a 1600kg caravan my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

IanMetro wrote:
Saw this nice Ioniq 5 AWD for sale, I must admit on paper it looks idea replacement for an FL2.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra

This is the website I use to check the all-important (at my age) accessability, legroom and bootsize.

https://www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/o...aloon-2022

https://www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/o...22-5dr-4x4


The reason we went for the Ioniq 5 was it looks be a suitable replacement to the Freelander 2. It's actually even better to drive, with all the safety systems that modern vehicles get. It even has smart cruise control, where it almost drives itself on the motorway.

I'm looking forward to the comfort, performance and very low per mile running costs. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Post #441223 29th Apr 2024 1:25 pm
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Nodge68



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Dartman the one wrote:
It may be rated to tow1600kg but how far on a charge and there is a considerable difference between rated to tow and designed to tow, designed to tow tends to be limited to the larger 4x4's such as the Toyota Amazon, Nissan Patrol, pickups and every Land Rover ever built. I have considerably large doubts the the new breed of super SUV's like Bentley, Rolls Royce and Aston Martin are designed to tow or the customers that buy them want to, the Audi E-tron 4x4 has a range of 90 miles towing a 1600kg caravan


All vehicles loose range when towing, not just EVs. It just seems proportionally more range is lost on a EV, because they're so much more energy efficient than a conventional ICE vehicle, which throws away 75% of the fuel's energy in heat.

Towing at maximum load in with an EV will often cut the range by ½.
This is where an 800V battery comes into its own, as there's the ability to charge from 10 to 80% in 18 minutes if a suitably fast charger is available.
It's not the weight that's the main reason that range is reduced, but the additional drag a caravan or large trailer adds to the vehicle, especially at a constant speed on the flat.
Down hill the extra weight can help charge the battery through regen, however going up hill will use more energy, cancelling out the energy recovered through regen. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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