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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080   
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We got the EV bug after being a given a VW ID3 as a loan car for a fortnight while the wife's VW was in the body shop.
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24th Apr 2024 2:58 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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Indeed, although we normally try to avoid the congestion over the summer. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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24th Apr 2024 3:00 pm |
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| tenet Member Since: 23 Jul 2009 Location: cotswolds Posts: 1081 
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Just entered an Ioniq5 to a comparison site for insurance and it would double to over £800 compared to my Freelander. That along with range anxiety (daughter lives in Cornwall and we do 3 or more trips per annum) will stick with ICE for the forseeable. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.
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24th Apr 2024 3:50 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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The Cotswolds to Cornwall is easily covered by a modern EV, which will have an almost 300 mile range. There's no need for range anxiety at all for that trip.
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24th Apr 2024 4:47 pm |
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| tenet Member Since: 23 Jul 2009 Location: cotswolds Posts: 1081
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Thanks Nodge - so we stay at my daughters and charge via 13amp supply. How long would that take to fully charge the battery?? MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.
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24th Apr 2024 5:02 pm |
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| Just a driver Member Since: 29 Nov 2021 Location: Norfolk Posts: 416 
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I would say that there is 3 groups of people. 1 is the ones who love EV totally,lock stock and barrel. 2 those who are anti and are not sold on the idea at all. 3 don’t care what they drive as long as it doesn’t cost them more money or any more inconvenience then what they have at present. At the moment there is not a lot of choice of EV in the sub 5 grand bracket so that wipes out a lot of normal people in the market. |
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24th Apr 2024 5:03 pm |
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| Mowog Member Since: 11 Apr 2018 Location: Cheshire Posts: 503 |
How much is an ionic?
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24th Apr 2024 5:34 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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First off, you'd need to get the right EV if you want to avoid range anxiety, so I'd avoid anything that has a battery of under 50 KWhr, the car we've ordered has a 77kWhr battery, with a real world summer range of about 260 miles. Secondly yes you can charge them on a standard 13 Amp socket (the maximum charge rate is actually 10 Amps), which is the continuous rating of a 13A socket, but it is slow. Last year we used the cooker socket the ID3, because it was actually the closest socket to the car, and it's supplied by a 10mm2 cable and 32 Amp breaker, so I didn't need to worry about overloading the ring main, which in reality was unlikely. We didn't completely drain the battery, so it only needed topping up every other night, but it would still take some 20 hours to charge it back up to full if it had been empty. If you definitely want to move to an EV, and you have off street parking, then it's best to have a decent wall charger installed. Not exactly cheap, but by far the safest and fastest way to charge at home. The faster home charge will make the most of an EV low cost tariff, which are only active for 4 to 7 hours per night, depending on the energy provider. On route charging is done by a fast charger, which we found an easy experience. We stopped at a small charger station off the A303 (I forget where now) which had a nice café and 2 X 50kW chargers. They had contactless card readers, so it was just a case of scan a debit card, follow the on screen prompts, check charging had started, then went into the café for a coffee and a pee. Once we'd finished drinking and were all comfortable again, the car had more than enough range to get us the rest of the way home. One thing to note, we didn't waste time charging on the way home, as we'd have stopped anyway, as I like to have a break every 2 to 3 hours, so the car was charging while we were doing something we would have been doing anyway. I'm sure not all charging stops will be that easy, but for our first experience of it, it was a real eye opener compared to what we'd heard over the previous couple of years. We went for the Ionic 5 because it was the only EV that the wife liked the look of, which was similar in size to the Freelander. I'd have been more than happy with the Cupra Born, but it wasn't quite large enough to accommodate all we needed, so the Ionic 5 it was. We worked out very carefully just how much it was all going to cost, compared to the fuel savings, also factoring in that the Freelander is almost at the end of its economic life, so would need replacing in the next year or two anyway. I'm glad we chose the Ionic 5, as it's an absolutely amazing vehicle, absolutely lightyears ahead of the Freelander it'll be replacing. Once we've put some miles on it, I'll report back. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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24th Apr 2024 6:02 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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I'd mostly agree with that. I was quite anti-EV when the only option was the horrible Nissan Leaf, with a range little better than a bike ride. However in the last few years, the whole sector has moved on, and more appealing and more capable vehicles are now available. We have a his and hers car, no choice as we work in different places at different times. So I have the Freelander which doubles as the family bus, and the wife an Audi A5 convertible, which she uses to run the kids all over. I’ve always been a petrol head (diesel head latterly) but still ICE. It wasn't until we were given an EV for a couple of weeks that I experienced just how good they were, and cheap to run too. I do like an engaging drive, and found the ID3 a bit lacking in that department. However the Cupra Born was so much better, fast, nippy, great to chuck about, i was sort of hooked. Unfortunately the Born just won't work for us now, as we need the space, so the only other choice was the Ionic 5, which while not as fun to drive as the Cupra, it's still really good. Yes I agree there's nothing at £5k at the moment, except an old Leaf, which is a shame. The normal way to get an EV is to lease them, which is what we've done. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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24th Apr 2024 6:27 pm |
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| Mowog Member Since: 11 Apr 2018 Location: Cheshire Posts: 503 |
I like to buy vehicles outright
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24th Apr 2024 6:44 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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How much it costs in petrol at 50 MPG is irrelevant to me, because the vehicle I'm replacing with an EV doesn't do 50 MPG, it does 28 MPG of diesel, which costs 28 pence per mile at current prices. The EV will cost under 3 Pence per mile when charged at home on cheap night rate, so the saving is huge, like 1/10 of the cost. Charging away from home is a rarity, to the point of almost irrelevance. However it does cost more to charge at a public charger, but like I said it'll be the exception. You don't have to buy an EV that isn't available in a petrol or diesel, but they're seriously compromised. A ground up EV body design isn't dictated by an engine placement or fuel tank location, or even wheel location. The battery lives under the floor, leaving a completely flat floor inside, so no pointless hump in the centre to get in the way. The Ionic 5 has more leg room than a Range Rover, as the wheels are pushed right to the corners. The wheel base is 3000mm, compared to the Freelander's 2660mm, all that extra space is there for the occupants. I didn't order an EV to save the planet. I ordered one because I like the space, silence and low running costs, while having the acceleration of a hot hatch when needed. Reducing my CO2 burden on the planet is an added benefit of driving an EV. China has invested more money in green energy infrastructure each year for the last 5 years than all of Europe, and the USA combined. The Chinese government know that energy security is vital, especially as they have limited availability of oil in China, so they're spending nearly 900 billion dollars on green energy generation infrastructure every year. This has resulted in a drop in greenhouse gas emmisions from China, who's goal is to produce less than the USA, but it'll be a few years off yet. It's very unfair to point a finger at China for high production of CO2, when most manufacturers in the West are having their products made in China because it's cheaper. If the same products were made in the West, the CO2 emissions in Western countries would be significantly higher. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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24th Apr 2024 8:36 pm |
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| Nodge68 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Newquay Posts: 2080
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It depends on the vehicle you buy. Some EVs aren't loosing much money at all, but others are loosing half their money in 18 months. To me it seems that Stillantis group car's, EV and ICE loose the most. Anything Korean seems to be loosing the least. A 2 ½ year old Ionic 5 seems to have lost about 30 % of its new price, which is pretty normal for any second hand vehicle. Battery life is irrelevant, as a modern EV battery will last as long as the body. Manufacturers are giving EV batteries 7 and 8 year warranties because they know they're very reliable items. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone. Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver. 1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project. |
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24th Apr 2024 8:46 pm |
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| IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3126 
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From what I read, EVs charge quickest and most efficiently between 10% and 80% of their capacity.
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25th Apr 2024 9:01 am |
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| Mowog Member Since: 11 Apr 2018 Location: Cheshire Posts: 503 |
Well I am defo. In the petrol camp until I see chargers as frequent as petrol stations.
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25th Apr 2024 9:31 am |
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