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IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3126

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White

Nodge, Looking forward to your EV experience notes. I did have the Ionic 5 on my shortlist, if I ever do change from my FL2. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

23rd Apr 2024 9:03 am

Mowog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2018
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 503

I do like fossil fuel power though

23rd Apr 2024 9:08 am

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

IanMetro wrote:
Nodge, Looking forward to your EV experience notes. I did have the Ionic 5 on my shortlist, if I ever do change from my FL2.

Will do.
I had the Fisker Ocean and Ionic 5 on my list, but now Fisker aren't looking like they'll survive, it left me with just the Ionic 5.
It's a pretty nice machine, definitely a good step up from the Freelander 2. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

23rd Apr 2024 4:24 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

Mowog wrote:
I do like fossil fuel power though

Have you tried an EV?

I use to think fossil fuel was the power source of choice, until I drove an EV. Now to me, fossil fuel vehicles just feel so old fashioned, very noisy and very slow. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

23rd Apr 2024 4:27 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 4992

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

The motive power of BEVs is indeed very impressive - my mate's Tesla is gobsmacking.

When they have developed a FL2 equivalent with a similar towing range then I'd be more interested.

From the few public charging stations I've seen they dont seem to be catering for vehicles that are towing; the trailer or caravan would block access.

I think its more likely we'd change the Fiesta to a BEV and keep the FL2, though I think it will be a while before I could get a "Fiesta ST-like" BEV for similar money.

But I watch with great interest as the future of motoring is certainly changing. Jules

23rd Apr 2024 5:39 pm

Mowog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2018
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 503

Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
I do like fossil fuel power though

Have you tried an EV?

I use to think fossil fuel was the power source of choice, until I drove an EV. Now to me, fossil fuel vehicles just feel so old fashioned, very noisy and very slow.

Yes my neighbour has an electric MG……nuff said
Another has a thing called a Tesla……
Next door has an electric Golf….
None of them said they are particularly happy with them.

I go to Applecross 3 times a year, it’s 445 miles from Chester.
I like to do the journey non stop.
Just bought a new Mini petrol, it does 50 mpg on petrol, which is available everywhere.
It’s not noisy and not slow either, but old fashioned…..just like me.

Have you tried driving around the Scottish Highlands?
Enough stress in life without trying to find a battery charger.

23rd Apr 2024 5:54 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

jules wrote:
The motive power of BEVs is indeed very impressive - my mate's Tesla is gobsmacking.

When they have developed a FL2 equivalent with a similar towing range then I'd be more interested.

From the few public charging stations I've seen they dont seem to be catering for vehicles that are towing; the trailer or caravan would block access.

I think its more likely we'd change the Fiesta to a BEV and keep the FL2, though I think it will be a while before I could get a "Fiesta ST-like" BEV for similar money.

But I watch with great interest as the future of motoring is certainly changing.

With EVs, if they work for the driver, then it's a brilliant way to move people and stuff about.

Range when towing is an issue, if stopping to charge isn't something that the driver wants to do.

I went for an EV because I can have hot hatch performance, in a large, very comfortable, Freelander size vehicle, yet with running costs of a moped.

As I don't tow anymore, and have no need to drive more than 250 miles in one go, there's no need to drive an expensive diesel, simply to save a 20 minute stop every 5 hours. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

23rd Apr 2024 6:12 pm

BossBob

Member Since: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Bristol
Posts: 1383

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

And then they close a road and you’ve suddenly got a 60 mile detour. You certainly don’t want to be caught with range anxiety around Argyle!

23rd Apr 2024 6:18 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

Mowog wrote:
Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
I do like fossil fuel power though

Have you tried an EV?

I use to think fossil fuel was the power source of choice, until I drove an EV. Now to me, fossil fuel vehicles just feel so old fashioned, very noisy and very slow.

Yes my neighbour has an electric MG……nuff said
Another has a thing called a Tesla……
Next door has an electric Golf….
None of them said they are particularly happy with them.

I go to Applecross 3 times a year, it’s 445 miles from Chester.
I like to do the journey non stop.
Just bought a new Mini petrol, it does 50 mpg on petrol, which is available everywhere.
It’s not noisy and not slow either, but old fashioned…..just like me.
Have you tried driving around the Scottish Highlands?
Enough stress in life without trying to find a battery charger.

Very odd, as 90% of EV drivers surveyed say they'll never go back to ICE vehicles.

445 miles without a stop, I'm assuming you're bladder is the size of an oil drum?

I need to stop every 2½ hours for a comfort break and a drink, so the car can have a quick charge while I'm relaxing for a while.

There are plenty of people who drive EVs that drive from the UK to France, Spain or Southern Italy for holiday's without any issues and there's plenty of charging in the Scottish Highlands too. There are currently 2286 public chargers in Scotland, with hundreds more going in every year. This doesn't include destination chargers provided by hotels, guest houses, rental properties and B&Bs.

There's so much misinformation about EVs, chargers, fires, and other FUD, it's really sad.

If diesel is your fuel of choice then that's fine, but for me, an EV is a definite step towards the future. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

23rd Apr 2024 6:29 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

BossBob wrote:
And then they close a road and you’ve suddenly got a 60 mile detour. You certainly don’t want to be caught with range anxiety around Argyle!

No difference to having 30 miles of fuel in the tank, and no petrol stations open for 60 miles. It issue is the same regardless of fuel type used. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

23rd Apr 2024 6:33 pm

Mowog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2018
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 503

Except a spare gallon of fuel in a can

23rd Apr 2024 6:40 pm

Mowog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2018
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 503

Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
I do like fossil fuel power though

Have you tried an EV?

I use to think fossil fuel was the power source of choice, until I drove an EV. Now to me, fossil fuel vehicles just feel so old fashioned, very noisy and very slow.

Yes my neighbour has an electric MG……nuff said
Another has a thing called a Tesla……
Next door has an electric Golf….
None of them said they are particularly happy with them.

I go to Applecross 3 times a year, it’s 445 miles from Chester.
I like to do the journey non stop.
Just bought a new Mini petrol, it does 50 mpg on petrol, which is available everywhere.
It’s not noisy and not slow either, but old fashioned…..just like me.
Have you tried driving around the Scottish Highlands?
Enough stress in life without trying to find a battery charger.

Very odd, as 90% of EV drivers surveyed say they'll never go back to ICE vehicles.

445 miles without a stop, I'm assuming you're bladder is the size of an oil drum?

I need to stop every 2½ hours for a comfort break and a drink, so the car can have a quick charge while I'm relaxing for a while.

There are plenty of people who drive EVs that drive from the UK to France, Spain or Southern Italy for holiday's without any issues and there's plenty of charging in the Scottish Highlands too. There are currently 2286 public chargers in Scotland, with hundreds more going in every year. This doesn't include destination chargers provided by hotels, guest houses, rental properties and B&Bs.

There's so much misinformation about EVs, chargers, fires, and other FUD, it's really sad.

If diesel is your fuel of choice then that's fine, but for me, an EV is a definite step towards the future.

Actually the Cooper S is a 2 litre petrol
If I stop for a pee, it takes 5 mins.

Petrol……..I love it

This doesn’t look good……

Hydro-powered electric vehicle charging in rural Scotland

Urban Foresight
https://urbanforesight.org › latest › hydro-powered-elec...
There are currently no EV charge points in Applecross or within a 25-mile radius, so it represents a strategically important position in the Scottish Highlands ...

23rd Apr 2024 6:43 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

Mowog wrote:
Except a spare gallon of fuel in a can

That is one advantage with liquid fuel, although very few people actually carry an emergency gallon of fuel in the boot.

EVs do come with an emergency charger lead (often called a granny charger), so can be charged from a domestic 13 Amp socket if available. However at 13 Amps (actually 10A is the maximum allowed), it'll take a long time to put in 30 miles of range.

More planning of trips exceeding the maximum battery range is needed, but the savings more than make up for the occasional inconvenience EV driving creates. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

24th Apr 2024 7:58 am

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Newquay
Posts: 2080

Mowog wrote:
Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
Nodge68 wrote:
Mowog wrote:
I do like fossil fuel power though

Have you tried an EV?

I use to think fossil fuel was the power source of choice, until I drove an EV. Now to me, fossil fuel vehicles just feel so old fashioned, very noisy and very slow.

Yes my neighbour has an electric MG……nuff said
Another has a thing called a Tesla……
Next door has an electric Golf….
None of them said they are particularly happy with them.

I go to Applecross 3 times a year, it’s 445 miles from Chester.
I like to do the journey non stop.
Just bought a new Mini petrol, it does 50 mpg on petrol, which is available everywhere.
It’s not noisy and not slow either, but old fashioned…..just like me.
Have you tried driving around the Scottish Highlands?
Enough stress in life without trying to find a battery charger.

Very odd, as 90% of EV drivers surveyed say they'll never go back to ICE vehicles.

445 miles without a stop, I'm assuming you're bladder is the size of an oil drum?

I need to stop every 2½ hours for a comfort break and a drink, so the car can have a quick charge while I'm relaxing for a while.

There are plenty of people who drive EVs that drive from the UK to France, Spain or Southern Italy for holiday's without any issues and there's plenty of charging in the Scottish Highlands too. There are currently 2286 public chargers in Scotland, with hundreds more going in every year. This doesn't include destination chargers provided by hotels, guest houses, rental properties and B&Bs.

There's so much misinformation about EVs, chargers, fires, and other FUD, it's really sad.

If diesel is your fuel of choice then that's fine, but for me, an EV is a definite step towards the future.

Actually the Cooper S is a 2 litre petrol
If I stop for a pee, it takes 5 mins.

Petrol……..I love it

This doesn’t look good……

Hydro-powered electric vehicle charging in rural Scotland

Urban Foresight
https://urbanforesight.org › latest › hydro-powered-elec...
There are currently no EV charge points in Applecross or within a 25-mile radius, so it represents a strategically important position in the Scottish Highlands ...

The Cooper S is a nice car, with a proper sporty drive. I'd have one for some fun, as I'm still a petrol head. I just prefer something more relaxing and quiet as our normal family vehicle.

We're never in such a hurry as to only stop for 5 minutes.
We normally stop for about 30 minutes every 2 ½ to 3 hours, so have no need for a range of more than 250 miles in one charge. A weekly top up is all that's needed for a weeks normal running about.

Charging points are getting more abundant, even in out the way places, so the future is looking better all the time. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

24th Apr 2024 8:13 am

Mowog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2018
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 503

Good luck with the new car.
Nice and quiet in the traffic jams full of emmets.

24th Apr 2024 8:39 am

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