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littlecub



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Towing lug attachment

Hi all,
Have had a look underneath car so that I can fit my towbar and electrics.
The passenger side does NOT have the towing lug attachment fitted which I have .
What size bolts do I need to fit the attachment so that I can then fit my towbar.

Regards
littlecub

Post #436329 16th Oct 2023 8:48 am
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jules



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sorry -but what is a towing lug ? Jules

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littlecub



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Jules,
Its the anchor point to attach the welded assembly to.
There's one on the left and one on the right

littlecub

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littlecub



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https://store.speedytowbars.com.au/assets/brochures/QTRV19L.pdf

Its no. 1 on page 4.

littlecub

Post #436337 16th Oct 2023 10:38 am
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ozjeff62



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I'm a bit confused still.

Item 1 on page 4 is the actual towbar.

Those instructions are rubbish. Thanks for the heads up. I'm just investigating a towbar for my new car and Trailboss was on the list. I even downloaded the instructions but didn't really read them.

So some clarifying questions.

1. "The passenger side doesn't have the towing lug attachment"
Are you referring to the car is missing something, or the towbar is missing something?
2. "What size bolts do I need"
You have the tow bar but not the bolts to fit it? You need M14 bolts, 110mm long. 4 of them, with nuts, flat washers and spring washers to suit.
3. "It's the anchor point"
Which anchor point?

I'd just say that the towbar is only rated to 2000kg. In Oz our Freelanders are rated to tow 3500kg. Make sure that sticker is very obvious and very stuck. A hell of a lot of caravans these days are way over 2 tonnes dry.

Hopefully we can help.
A mechanic or local mate should be able to fit it very quickly. MY11 SD4 SE Auto

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BossBob



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These are the instructions supplied by Pfizer jones for a witter towbar for the Freelander 2. I’d suggest that whatever towbar you’re fitting they’ll be pretty similar though your instructions don’t show the components labelled b and c in the pf jones instructions you’ll need similar.
https://www.pfjones.co.uk/witter/R40A.pdf

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merlinj79



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As the diagram above shows, the towbar attach points on this vehicle are not symmetrical, they are quite different on each side. Obviously you need a towbar designed specifically for this car.

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jules



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BossBob wrote:
These are the instructions supplied by Pfizer jones for a witter towbar for the Freelander 2. I’d suggest that whatever towbar you’re fitting they’ll be pretty similar though your instructions don’t show the components labelled b and c in the pf jones instructions you’ll need similar.
https://www.pfjones.co.uk/witter/R40A.pdf


Yes, Bossbob - thats the a very similar Witter towbar to the one that I installed myself - asymmetrical and with a small bracket attached behind the bumper (X X) and accessed by removing the reflector.

Here's mine

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In fact I have used the same towbar on all 3 of my FL2 - just removed it - cleaned it up, repainted it and re-installed it on the new car. The OEM towing looms were all different though. Jules

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jules



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Re: Towing lug attachment

littlecub wrote:
Hi all,
Have had a look underneath car so that I can fit my towbar and electrics.
The passenger side does NOT have the towing lug attachment fitted which I have .
What size bolts do I need to fit the attachment so that I can then fit my towbar.

Regards
littlecub


Thats because the RH side does not use the same "lug" as the LH side. The holes on the LH side for the long bolts are threaded (F on my diagram)
I cant see how your towbar would fit a FL2.

I have no idea with JLR designed it this way. Jules

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Lightwater



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ozjeff62 wrote:
I'd just say that the towbar is only rated to 2000kg. In Oz our Freelanders are rated to tow 3500kg. Make sure that sticker is very obvious and very stuck. A hell of a lot of caravans these days are way over 2 tonnes dry.

Towing is only 2000kg in Australia. The towbar is up to 350kg with conditions.

350kg on the towbar is a useless figure as there is 120% load on the rear axle, 420kg. The Freelander rear axle capacity is a weak point at 1360kg maximum, roughly 850kg unladen (front 1310kg maximum, about 1150kg unladen).

(Also a Toyota Landcruiser has a useless payload & a pathetic rear axle load, Freelanders are not the only vehicle!)

A driver, effectively the middle of the car, will push the rear load to the limit. Forget the weekend away with mistress unless she is a waif & wearing less than a thong, a lot thinner than Wifey!



(The Freelander is capable of towing more but it will have to be on private land. Someone here had no issues with about 4.5 tonnes.) Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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ozjeff62



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Oops. Thanks Lightwater. The towball weight is limited by regulations to 10% of the towed mass isn't it?

Hm. I don't think I killed my car ... MY11 SD4 SE Auto

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jules



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Aussie towing regs probably differ to those in the UK.

But my UK brochure says max towing a capacity is 2000kg, max trailer nose weight is 150kg and max mass of vehicle & trailer combination is 4505kg


 Jules

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Lightwater



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Notes from the Australian Owner's Handbook, pages 59 & 60.



Note top left of page is interesting:


But as I said earlier 350kg on the towbar is about 420kg on the rear axle. So you only have about 90kg left on the rear axle. Or 150kg total left for front & rear axles. So two people if lucky, both in the front of the car. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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jules



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Depending upon what you are towing you can balance things so the nose weight is well within limits. I used to move things around in my caravan until the nose weight was around 80kg. The caravan when loaded weighed about 2600kg, but I was towing with my Disco2 TD5 in those days. Jules

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