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Chuckalicious



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Judder Under Braking?

Hey folks. Got a 2014 SD4 auto and have noticed what feels like a rumble/judder at one point on my journey each day. It is always at a very tight hairpin bend, which is a steep slope. To get down and round I take it slowly but have to have the steering quite tight and use the brakes so it doesn’t run off.

At the point of the turn I get a judder or rumble from the front right for just a second or two, at the point when the car would be most tilted and tightly cornering. I am braking at this point.

Would an auto do this? I’ve only had a manual TD4 so never experienced this or in any other car. Could it be a symptom of the car not liking the angle or might there be an issue? I can’t see any rubbing suggesting the wheel could be catching the arch or anything.

Braking is smooth and judder free in all other instances.

Cheers.

*edit* here’s a link to the bend so you can see it in street view 😁 Dropped pin
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Post #431222 27th Mar 2023 5:31 pm
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Nodge68



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Wishbone large bush can cause this. However it's good practice to only brake before a corner, not mid corner, as it can imbalance the vehicle. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Post #431223 27th Mar 2023 6:35 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Interesting. I’ll see what I can do about changing when I brake and see if that makes any difference. Cheers. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #431227 28th Mar 2023 5:26 am
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Jimboland



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Sounds like the ABS cutting in.

J

Post #431231 28th Mar 2023 9:27 am
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MartynB



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

My late Mrs , used to ride the brakes everywhere in the auto Freelander , we lived in Calderdale where 50% of your journey was downhill no matter where you went ! . The simplest way to avoid the car running away is to approach steep descents using Command Shift Mode , shift to a low gear for the descent , then knock the stick back to auto when you’ve made the descent . Cheaper on pads and discs too . 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

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seagull1



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Mine often judders in multy story car parks when wet, I find switching to GGS mode stops it.

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BossBob



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Jimboland wrote:
Sounds like the ABS cutting in.

J

I wouldn’t describe the noise that ABS makes as a judder. Much higher frequency.

Post #431237 28th Mar 2023 11:11 am
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Chuckalicious



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Well I did as suggested and got round the bend without braking. No judder. So definitely braking related. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #431247 28th Mar 2023 7:08 pm
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Dartman the one



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You didn't brake though the car may have done, the Freely's stability program is almost or maybe second to none, you really have to do stupid things at very high speeds when cornering to lose it, it just sorts things out by braking various wheels to enable the steering lock demand to followed. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Post #431251 28th Mar 2023 9:36 pm
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Chuckalicious



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that's very interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way. I take it then that this is unlikely to be a problem as such? FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #431275 30th Mar 2023 6:13 am
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Dartman the one



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No, but it depends on your speed and the direction of the bend, if you brake then both front wheels brake, if the stability program brakes then it's on one, so you need to take the bend both ways to determine whether it's braking or even a road problem. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Post #431277 30th Mar 2023 7:11 am
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Chuckalicious



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I see what you mean, however I don’t think it’ll be possible to test that as the corner is on a steep gradient so testing it the other way would be going uphill and the road is wider at that part. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #431278 30th Mar 2023 7:15 am
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IanMetro



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Jimboland wrote:
Sounds like the ABS cutting in.

J


From looking at the 'streetview' of corner I am sure that it would be quite easy to offload the inner wheel(s) as you turned in and braked on the corner.

As MartynB says the easiest way to keep control down any steepish hill is to use 'Command Shift' and use engine braking to take strain off brakes, and stopping ABS needing to interfere.

Seagull has an interesting idea, I too have found that in the worse wet weather using 'Grass,Gravel,Snow' mode and command shift gives you the complete (manual box like) control, with permanent engine braking, that you need on the twisty, undulating, backroads across the Cotswolds. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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Post #431283 30th Mar 2023 9:02 am
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MartynB



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

If you think back to when the Freelander 2 was a current vehicle , and LR dealerships were the predominant suppler , purchases of new or used vehicles would always see the issue of a coupon for a half day at a LandRover Experience . We got one and chose to do the training in a Fl2 ( equipped with 19” drug dealer tyres ) . You got 2 hours on the test track and 2 on the road , with a LR driver instructing .
The ability of the FL2 on crap road tyres , running over a section of roller conveyor set into a steep descent at Coniston Cold was an eye opener . That’s where we were shown all the tricks of Command Shift and Terrain programme selection . My late Mrs would not bother and listening to her daily ascent / descent around on the hairpin cobbles of cyclings killer ‘ Shibden Wall ‘ was torture !

As these vehicles have gone out of the main LR network and obviously are no longer used on LR experience , the chance for new owners to be instructed in and to try out the pretty amazing capabilities has been lost .

Not connected to downhill control , but one tip I’ll always remember was how to win a traffic light Grand Prix ! Select sand , select manual , select first , plant your right foot to the floor ! 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

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Post #431285 30th Mar 2023 9:21 am
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