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landieguy



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Auto transmission and towing issue

Popped into local dealership today to have chat with their workshop supervisor re steering wheel alignment problem. Whilst out for test drive, I stated that I was new to autos and what was good practice re time to sit in "drive" before setting to "Neutral" or "park" whilst stuck in traffic. Response was that you could leave in drive all night with engine running and handbrake on with no ill effects on the transmission.

We also chatted about towing and I was reliably informed that when attaching the caravan the car acknowledges (yes the rear parking sensors are deativated) the fact and "remaps" the auto box/electronics"to rev the engine higher before each change of gear. Presumably this is when the pucker LR electrics are suplied with towbar?

I would welcome your comments please.

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Re: Auto transmission and towing issue

landieguy wrote:
Popped into local dealership today to have chat with their workshop supervisor re steering wheel alignment problem. Whilst out for test drive, I stated that I was new to autos and what was good practice re time to sit in "drive" before setting to "Neutral" or "park" whilst stuck in traffic. Response was that you could leave in drive all night with engine running and handbrake on with no ill effects on the transmission.


I don't know about the towing side, but the LR manual suggests you put the car in neutral / park if you are sat for a prolonged period of time. I guess the word prolonged is open to interpretation. I just pop mine into neutral if I'm sat at lights, knowing they are going to take several mins to change. I've always taken my cars out of gear at lights and stuck in traffic. I'm no mechanic, but leaving it in drive while stationary will undoubtedly casue premature wear on the torque converter and you can bet it'll fail just out of warranty!! Shocked In fact my bosses Passat did just that at 60k and I think it was due to him not taking it out of gear. Gone - TD4 XS Auto, Sumatra Black, Mud flaps and side strips, clear indicators, private plate, privacy glass

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stormsky



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Interesting, I wouldn't expect to see wear on the torque convertor from leaving it in gear. All that happens is the impellor throws oil at the 'locked' turbine, can't move it, is deflected and recirculates around and back into the impellor again. A slight rise in oil temerature is to be expected but but thats about it, there will be a cooler in the line somewhere anyway to handle that. Possibly the oil might have a shorter expected life due to temperature and provide poorer lubrication as it breaks down, but I'm not convinced... 58 HSE, auto, lago grey, tints. Mine and my dogs Storm and Sky
TT Quattro, black. Ers.
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Stormsky, thought you might be interested in this Cobra, when i read your Signature

http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic8791.html
http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic14371.html Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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avtur



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I'm with Stormsky, there is nothing to wear in the torque converter, all that can happen is a heat build up and that can be taken care of.

What can and will wear are the clutch bands in the gearbox that are activated and deactivated each time the selector is moved to and from neutral into gear. So providing the handbrake is well adjusted it should hold very well against the 'slight drive' caused by the torque converter when the engine is at tickover. Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor Smile ... but not any more ... Big Cry ... psst look at my gallery!
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bill



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Re: Auto transmission and towing issue

landieguy wrote:
Popped into local dealership today to have chat with their workshop supervisor re steering wheel alignment problem. Whilst out for test drive, I stated that I was new to autos and what was good practice re time to sit in "drive" before setting to "Neutral" or "park" whilst stuck in traffic. Response was that you could leave in drive all night with engine running and handbrake on with no ill effects on the transmission.

We also chatted about towing and I was reliably informed that when attaching the caravan the car acknowledges (yes the rear parking sensors are deativated) the fact and "remaps" the auto box/electronics"to rev the engine higher before each change of gear. Presumably this is when the pucker LR electrics are suplied with towbar?

I would welcome your comments please.


I tow a lot with my Freelander which I am very pleased with.

The handbook seems to suggest that when a trailer is detected that only the lower gears are held longer before a change. My dealer also seems to think that the ABS dynamics are changed when a trailer is detected ?

I always, as a matter of habit, go to Neutral if I stop even for a short while. A mate of mine never does. He even leaves it in Reverse with the hand brake on so that we can pack up a boat in the dark. Doesn't seem to have had any ill effects after 50,000 miles !

Bill

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stormsky



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npinks wrote:
Off Topic

Stormsky, thought you might be interested in this Cobra, when i read your Signature

http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic8791.html
http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic14371.html


Very nice. Unfortunately mine isn't aluminium, its a fibreglass kit, in a million bits! Been looking around for a small block Ford for it, if worse comes to worse I shall have to import one but fancied rebuilding it myself.

I don't quite know and it might just be my wonky eyes, but the Euro look cobra replica's always seem a little lower little longer and little wider than those from across the pond and more akin to my taste. Might be the enormous tyres used over there...

That said I'd give my right arm for an original. 58 HSE, auto, lago grey, tints. Mine and my dogs Storm and Sky
TT Quattro, black. Ers.
AC Cobra rep in build. Ars.

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Rowy



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npinks wrote:
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Stormsky, thought you might be interested in this Cobra, when i read your Signature

http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic8791.html
http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic14371.html


THAT JUST CONFIRMS IT!!!! Big Cry
I'm getting a RRS so I can go over there and read/see stuff like that, all you lot go on about is how GREY your car is, Caravans and which oil will grease your impellors the best. Rolling with laughter

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that why i have 1500 posts over there too as i feel Freel2 can be a little straight laced at time Confused

Good set of members with loads of banter about other stuff, such as which Aston Martin DBS to buy next and quite often the subject of Boobies comes up too, mainly due to this thread http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic2977.html?highlight Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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Dave



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Oh, so what you're really trying to say is that us lot on here, who are nice decent people and friendly towards each other are BORING Exclamation ______________________
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avtur



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Hey, if anyone here wants to talk Boobies I'll join in !!!

AND I've helped a friend build a UK Cobra kit it ONLY had an ex Rover V8 but it still went like Censored off a chrome shovel, sideways at every opportunity. Then there was the Ferrari kit look a like and the Sierra Cosworth ... I travelled in an original 3.8 aluminium bodied E type at over 150mph when 5 years old, I've given sideways joy rides across Abersoch Golf Club in an Austin A35, out run the local bobby in his mini 850 van with a Rover 3500, ooops I'd better stop there .....

Had my FL2 off road with 200 miles on the clock, done Thong and many similar events with a nearly new motor, have many pictures of my car with TWO wheels off the ground (most recent less than a month ago), me boring ... NOT!!!

Hell I've even towed a caravan !!! Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor Smile ... but not any more ... Big Cry ... psst look at my gallery!
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never said Boring Rolling Eyes ..... but when it seems to be all 2 stroke oil (for god know what car make) , anti caravan drivel, and this colour or that, when your checking virtually all the written post some times it worth checking out the world of chequed shirts and beige slacks of the RRS crowd Thumbs Up Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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Rowy



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npinks wrote:
never said Boring Rolling Eyes ..... :


That was kinda what I was alluding to Whistle

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npinks wrote:
that why i have 1500 posts over there too as i feel Freel2 can be a little straight laced at time Confused

Good set of members with loads of banter about other stuff, such as which Aston Martin DBS to buy next and quite often the subject of Boobies comes up too, mainly due to this thread http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic2977.html?highlight


He's right ya know.
The grass sure does look a lot greener over there! everything seems so GREY over here in comparison.

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stormsky wrote:
Interesting, I wouldn't expect to see wear on the torque convertor from leaving it in gear. All that happens is the impellor throws oil at the 'locked' turbine, can't move it, is deflected and recirculates around and back into the impellor again. A slight rise in oil temerature is to be expected but but thats about it, there will be a cooler in the line somewhere anyway to handle that. Possibly the oil might have a shorter expected life due to temperature and provide poorer lubrication as it breaks down, but I'm not convinced...


I'm not expert on the auto box front, so if my post is wrong, I must have been mislead. The issue I have is why LR state not to leave it in gear for any 'prolonged' (what is prolonged??) period of time - there must be a reason for that?? Gone - TD4 XS Auto, Sumatra Black, Mud flaps and side strips, clear indicators, private plate, privacy glass

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