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gasman



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Woke gone mad

JLR have just banned the word 'Slave' as the name for any automotive part.
It is now a 'Surrogate' part. Rolling with laughter Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.

Post #422781 27th Jun 2022 7:03 pm
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Nuts! "Surrogate" has a completely different meaning from "slave". Everyone can spread it - Anyone can catch it. Stay home - the life you save can be your own!

Post #422784 27th Jun 2022 7:31 pm
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been there done that.

In Automation you have a master controller and several slave controllers, really simple.
Apparently we were told that slave was a bad word, so we went with daughter, but master and daughter was still not acceptable. So we were told Mother and daughter was to be used - have you ever seen a Mother control a 13 year old daughter, but I digress.

Eventually this was also thought to be too controversial.
Why can't you use client and server like the IT people - BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME, a server can have many clients, but a slave only one master, apparently we are now being awkward.

Best bit is it was going to South Africa, and the automation people there were perfectly happy with master/slave as a description. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Post #422788 27th Jun 2022 9:35 pm
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Ignoring the Woke or Anti Woke Brigades.

I have come across lots of these terms in my career, and my understanding is.

Master - Slave(s), One unit controlled by another more or less completely.

Mother - Daughter(s), Similar units that work in together with the mother co-ordinating.

Surrogate - A unit that is deputised to do the work of another.

And while we are at it

Imperial Units, an historic system of measurement based on some random lengths and weights, such as the kings arm length or some merchant's foot.

Metric Units, a more modern system designed by scientists, and based on fractions of length and weight of the real word.
(MKS units took over from CGS units during my lifetime)

The technical world could do without politics meddling in defined definitions. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Bloody snowflakes just looking for the next thing to be offended by. It makes me come over all Victor Meldrew. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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I couldn’t agree more!

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as above we will have to come up with a new word for grease " Nipples " soon Whistle 2009 FL2 S now gone
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What about Male & Female fittings/fasteners - that's not very inclusive is it given the plethora of genders claimed to exist now? Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter 2014 Freelander 2 TD4 Manual Dynamic
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Are we still allowed to have stopcocks on the main water supply point?

J

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gasman



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No stop cocks
Mains isolation valve.

No more male and female fittings.
Just throw them at the job and let them self identify Whistle Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.

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Bow down Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Thumbs Up 2014 Freelander 2 TD4 Manual Dynamic
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even ballcocks have been changed to float valves Smile Rolling with laughter 2009 FL2 S now gone
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Can I still get my big end looked at? 🤔 Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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Andy131



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does that mean I am going to have to rename my files in case I upset someone who is illegitimate?

in case some think that I am losing it (too late) file roughness is :-
smooth
second cut
b*stard
rough Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

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yes andy131 i have a set of those next to my smooth and medium Smile 2009 FL2 S now gone
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2012 FL2 XS AUTO
2000 Kawasaki er 5

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