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Bluebird1999



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Hi, could anyone that quoted my recent post regarding a settlement figure please delete them?

Reading a guidance document issued by the solicitors, this prohibits any disclosure as stated by other members on here.

Much obliged if this can be done.

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Post #422076 6th Jun 2022 4:33 pm
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Boxbrownie



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Done, I did actually mention you might want to delete/edit your post, and the forgot it would be in mine Rolling with laughter Regards

David

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Boxbrownie



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jules wrote:
What is the reason for for your claim ?


That’s what I’d like to know, the VW debacle was well known and admitted, but not heard that any other manufacturer has actually installed “cheat” software to manipulate emissions. Regards

David

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Bluebird1999



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Boxbrownie wrote:
Done, I did actually mention you might want to delete/edit your post, and the forgot it would be in mine Rolling with laughter


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Andy131



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I might be wrong, but the ECU controlling the emissions is a generic Bosch unit, tweaked to suit various applications. This is installed in quite a few manufacturers vehicles - Ford and LR being two. The point is not is the cheat software installed (it is as it's part of the firmware), but is the cheat section of the software (knowingly?) activated.

Imagine you are legitimately struggling to meet your companies emissions and MPG target, and someone says there is a way to beat the test. At this point you can say yes please, or you can choose between MPG or emissions.

The cheat is relatively easy, you monitor the outside temperature (wing mirror temperature sensor?) and if it has been at a constant 20C for 24hours you know that the car is about to undergo the test, so do everything that will keep the emissions legal. If it hasn't been at the temperature for the required time, use a different set of fueling regime that actually produce a lot more emissions but uses less fuel. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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Boxbrownie



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I cannot tell you how the cheat was activated (I do know though), but for sure a lot of the hardware is generic although the software for each individual vehicle (and sometimes variations within a model line) is designed specifically.

The software for the VW/Audi group was designed in house using Bosch programming tools, the cheat was unique to each engine/vehicle combination, there was no generic cheat software that could work with every vehicle, each was customised for the test procedure.

I believe a lot of these “ambulance chasing” firms are chancing their luck hoping they get enough clients to put forward a claim in the hope they get lucky in the future with a company owning up to doing the same as VW/Audi, after chatting to some old mates who actually worked in emissions testing they are adamant they only know of the VW situation and I’ve known them long enough (and tucked a few in bed dead drunk Rolling with laughter ) to believe them. Regards

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Dartman the one



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Looking at the dates for LR it would seem they are only targeting vehicles made under the Tata regime, so probably chancing their arm, let's admit it LR is a premium car builder, its customers generally don't give a rat's a**e about mpg or emissions, so why bother to cheat my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Boxbrownie



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Had a quick chat with one of my old muckers today and apparently they are also targeting Mercedes of certain vintage, he hasn’t heard on the vehicle development grapevine any more than that. Regards

David

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The Doctor



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jules wrote:
What is the reason for for your claim ?


Tried my reg and they said it was an applicable model. It was the e model with the stop/start and was pushed by LR and the dealer as being the big I am for lower emissions and therefore tax.

No win no fee, so I thought I'd see what happens. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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jules



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fingers crossed then Jules

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The Doctor wrote:
jules wrote:
What is the reason for for your claim ?


Tried my reg and they said it was an applicable model. It was the e model with the stop/start and was pushed by LR and the dealer as being the big I am for lower emissions and therefore tax.

No win no fee, so I thought I'd see what happens.


Same here, my registration gets the ok on their site. No win no fee so may add my name to their list. Will double check T&Cs carefully first

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Boxbrownie



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The Doctor wrote:


Tried my reg and they said it was an applicable model. It was the e model with the stop/start and was pushed by LR and the dealer as being the big I am for lower emissions and therefore tax.

No win no fee, so I thought I'd see what happens.


Well it has got very low emissions…….when the engine has stopped Thumbs Up

It wouldn’t surprise me if you trawled through Autotrader and entered some randomly found reg numbers they would come up as well Rolling with laughter Regards

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jules



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And just in case you weren't aware Deieselgate is still rolling on.

This was back in June...
"Some of the world's biggest carmakers are facing 1.5 million lawsuits in Britain for allegedly cheating emissions tests that could cost them at least 6 billion pounds ($7.6 billion), claimants' lawyers told London's High Court on Tuesday."


https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-tra...024-06-11/ Jules

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Dartman the one



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Check the wording, Facing and Could, there are no law suits as yet, so until there are no manufacturer is facing actual lawsuits, so until they are there is, no manufacturer could be facing costs of £6 billion either jointly or singly.
These claims are on a no pay no fee basis which involves a payment of a insurance premium returnable on the win, so either the insurance cost is too high to make it viable or they can't get insurance cover to pay out if they lose. Car manufacturers have very deep pockets my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Andy131



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I was always sceptical of no win no fee offers.
SSB solicitors in Shefflield went bust in January leaving "no win no fee" claiments with tens of thousand of pounds in unexpexted bills.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-68076452

If the same were to happen with the Dieselgate cases do you imagine that the car firms would be magnanimous? Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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