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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

There's an extra bracket at the back of the Evoque subframe, which holds another mass damper, which isn't fitted to the Freelander 2 subframe.
There's also an extra brace between the suspension mounts, which is presumably to beef up the subframe it that point (maybe it needed a bit of extra strength there), which again wasn't on the original Freel subframe.
As long as that extra brackets don't interfere with the Freel 2 body, diff or suspension, it looks like it could fit. If the mass damper fits too, it might even be a bit quieter, and maybe beef up the suspension a bit too? Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Post #419433 11th Mar 2022 4:29 pm
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Chrisg



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Been joined a little while but this is my first post, so first off hello!
It is me that Richie was referring too with the earlier photos so just clearing up a few things.

Evoque frame needs to be an early one, mine is a 2012 which is still pretty new to me!

Yes the geometry is slightly different, about 1.5mm increase in track either side, easily taken out with the cam bolts. But more importantly the arms mount 16mm higher in the frame. So in theory pull the rear wheels in at the bottom and add positive camber. But it's negligible, to save trying to post photos and stuff again here is a link to a post where I was asking about the geometry, and subsequently getting told I'm going to jail Rolling Eyes

https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/thread...st-1984814

Post number 50 if you don't want the nonsense.

If link posting is not allowed by the mods I apologize in advance.
Car has been on the road three months and flew through an mot with no advisorys, I'm an Evoque frame convert, so much so I bought another one for another fl2 I bough as a little upgrade to myself, sold cheap as rotten rear frame...

Only thing I didn't say then, is the handbrake brackets need swapped, if you can change a subframe you can drill a few new holes and modify the old brackets. But because of the lift it puts a bit if strain on the cables and they tend to pop out. My new frame I will be making custom brackets with an extra 16mm height.

Also the anti roll bar is identical, except for where the little aluminium stop ring is located for the bushes, Evoque frame the bushes ate slightly further apart. So can use either anti roll bar if you can move the stops, I just used the Evoque bar.

Would post a fewore pictures but not sure how to do it on my phone

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robblue



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chrisg , cheers for that i have removed my subframe and in the middle of cleaning it up there are a couple of small holes in it which i will be welding up this week , i did have a subframe ordered from ebay but the seller has dissapered but his loss as dont need it now Very Happy 2009 FL2 S now gone
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robblue



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cool several more coats of Red oxide then start putting back together this weekend , bottom pic is what it looked like before . Mr. Green 2009 FL2 S now gone
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Post #420031 31st Mar 2022 4:23 pm
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Nodge68



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That's a lot of work you're putting in there.
I must admit I'd just buy a less rusty replacement, and paint that instead. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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robblue



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yeah it is nodge68 but i had ordered 1 from fleabay whilst i was removing it and the vendor vanished Censored and ithought wont take too much just a wire brush fitted to an angle grinder then fire up the mig welder . 2009 FL2 S now gone
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Post #420033 31st Mar 2022 5:26 pm
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NoDo$h



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Chrisg wrote:
here is a link to a post where I was asking about the geometry, and subsequently getting told I'm going to jail Rolling Eyes

https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/thread...st-1984814

Post number 50 if you don't want the nonsense.



Wow, they really went full potato on the (incorrect) interpretation of Insurance legislation there! Current driveway contents:
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jules



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Yes lets get real.
People make all sorts of modifications to the geometry of their cars. Many people lower their cars but don't correct the increased camber and their insurance still accept the mods.
I lowered my BMW and put M3 arms on the front but I did go out of my way to get the geometry setup of properly and removed the excess camber. Jules

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NoDo$h



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England 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black

For anyone interest in precisely why an insurer cannot automatically void a policy simply because of, say, lack of MOT or an undeclared mod:

https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/ICOBS/8/1.html

Quote:
ICOBS 8.1.2B [R] For contracts entered into or variations agreed on or after 1 August 2017, a rejection of a consumer policyholder's claim for breach of a condition or warranty (that is not subject to and within section 10 or 11 of the Insurance Act 2015) is unreasonable unless the circumstances of the claim are connected to the breach.


In other words, if the claim arises or is materially exacerbated directly by the breach (for example, suspension mods) then you may have an issue, but if not then rejection of the claim isn't permitted.

They can, of course, adjust the payout to reflect the value of an unmodified car and may even refuse to cover the policyholder's own losses and only pay out to third parties, but to blanket "no insurance" after an accident is not going to happen. Current driveway contents:
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Post #420042 1st Apr 2022 9:57 am
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cool finally got it MOTed this week clean pass no problems Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 2009 FL2 S now gone
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Post #420964 6th May 2022 9:55 am
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jules



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Chrisg wrote:

Only thing I didn't say then, is the handbrake brackets need swapped, if you can change a subframe you can drill a few new holes and modify the old brackets. But because of the lift it puts a bit if strain on the cables and they tend to pop out. My new frame I will be making custom brackets with an extra 16mm height.


That shouldn't be an issue for later cars with the electric handbrake, unless it affects the wires too. Not sure where they actually run. Jules

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MRRover75



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Hi. This issue has come to mine also now. Frame rusted through several places. Reads that a replacement frame needs to be an early Evoque rear frame. Found a few on Ebay that ships to Norway. What years apply to an early Evoque frame?

Post #427510 6th Dec 2022 5:19 am
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NoDo$h



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2012 - 2018

You can compare the subframes and fixings here:

Freel2 https://www.advancedfactors.co.uk/rear-sub...4220-c.asp

Evoque Gen1 https://www.advancedfactors.co.uk/rear-sub...4221-c.asp Current driveway contents:
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If early Ewok subframes from the 2.2 engine fit its likeley these are going to be getting old now, for peace of mind you can get a new one from here https://eurosubframes.com/collections/rear-subframe from another thread on here on this subject 2013 FL2 XS.
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2012 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Santorini Black

Can anyone advise if rear subframes unbolt and rebolt straight in or does the subframe need aligning to the body before all the other stuff gets fitted and wheel alignment done? Im sure i read somewhere that the front subframe has to be re aligned if its removed?

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