Here is one that we made earlier ---

An interesting bit of history

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-60160474 FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

The notion relating to keeping vehicles instead of changing them every few years should be part of the strategy of protecting the environment as it cuts production and therefore environmental damage. Ironically if you replaced your TV, washing machine etc every 3 years would you still express the same concerns?

The continued use of the notion that those who do not necessarily agree with EVs are resisting change is a limited view as you probably believe my beliefs are a limited view.

So those who are non meat eaters are they the early adopters and those who continue to eat meat are they those who resist change??

The point is that there is numerous ways to make an impact and we are simply being forced down one road (excuse the pun) by being told that the future is EVs, and i believe it is not the only way.

Not kidding, while a car that's five years newer probably has a slightly lower eco impact in daily operations the eco cost of creating the new car far outweighs any incremental advantage. If regulators want to fixate on something, that should be it.

Could also mandate that engines, batteries, etc be upgrade-able but the chassis should be designed (and incentivized) to last 20+ years. I run all of my cars to 20+ years so it can be done.

It's long been established that the emmisions from manufacturing take some getting back from use of a vehicle
A 3 year old car that complies with the latest emmisions regs would be difficult to justify scrapping just because of its carbon footprint but a 10 or 15 year old car that met the older lesser regs that applied in its day would very quickly create more emmisions than a new car it all very much depends on your usage pattern if you only do a few thousand miles a year then that will be low emissions any way but doing 20k could have you cleaner within a couple of years in a new car
Too many variables to give a definitive answer as to weather buying new or running an old car is better for the environment but there are cases for both to be right

NoDo$h wrote:

But one day you won't have two perfectly good ones. Eventually they will fail to the extent that they cannot be safely or economically repaired.

Nobody is forcing you to rush out tomorrow and spend £50k on a Tesla.

Also make sense for Motablity drivers, especially as EVs tend to be automatics.
Think about it, on Motablity the only costs for the user tends to be fuel, and if you go EV even that's a lot less. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

TooBlue wrote:

NoDo$h wrote:

But one day you won't have two perfectly good ones. Eventually they will fail to the extent that they cannot be safely or economically repaired.

Nobody is forcing you to rush out tomorrow and spend £50k on a Tesla.

There will still be plenty of used diesel cars for sale in 2030, which will last at least another 12 years.

At present EV's only make sense for company car drivers as they pay little or no tax on them.

Before getting the ipace would see them on the road and wonder how the owners could afford them, Now i drive past fuel stations and wonder how the owners can afford it.

although interest free finance vs interest on previous discosport did swing the balance a lot. At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

winner by default of the tractor vs caravan race

Interestingly, Ive just renewed my Aviva car insurance and they have now added exclusions for "automated" vehicles and for any vehicle used in an "automated driving mode".
So you're not insured in "hands off the steering wheel mode" on a motorway for instance. Jules

chicken george wrote:

Now i drive past fuel stations and wonder how the owners can afford it.

I do cheat the calculations somewhat by using solar,

Near 100% solar charging for 6mths of the year At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

winner by default of the tractor vs caravan race

You can’t beat that for cheap motoring CG. I agree with your sentiments. I am slowly being convinced that an EV future is not all bad. Fifth Gear Recharged has changed my mind-the performance of some of the next generation EV cars is breathtaking-Tesla territory for a lot less money.

jules wrote:

chicken george wrote:

Now i drive past fuel stations and wonder how the owners can afford it.

My electricity is up 50% and due to go up more today I believe.

Why is your electric going up?

They are not going up until April.
Have you been reading the Daily Mail too much, and need to lie down.

Labradorslave wrote:

You can’t beat that for cheap motoring CG. I agree with your sentiments. I am slowly being convinced that an EV future is not all bad. Fifth Gear Recharged has changed my mind-the performance of some of the next generation EV cars is breathtaking-Tesla territory for a lot less money.

Sooner rather than later once the honeymoon is over EVs will have to be taxed . Unless to meet the shortfall as an example the powers that be find a way to tax illegal dope.