I basically used the engine as long block so all my manifolds turbos pumps injectors etc but can only think it’s a software issue now really running out of things to try got landrover man coming out the back door to come do it with the proper computer to do it fingers crossed

I wonder, did this ever get finally resolved?

It seems I have the same problem - new/exchange engine in a 2009 HSE smoking out the neighbours on a cold start (one of them knocked on the door the day before and mentioned it) and then seems to be fine after.

We’ve had the car back a week but yesterday was the first time I started it cold rather than the Missus - she wasn’t sure it was an issue or not until I told her about the neighbour.

I got the same symptoms as johnboyt04, and for about 10 seconds the engine was barely running and the alternator light briefly flickered on/off.... then it all cleared and when warm it was fine, no excess smoke even when flooring the accelerator after a few miles... except it takes a while to lose the diesel smell inside the car after...

I am 100% certain it’s diesel smoke and not oil, I’ve had the burning oil issue on other cars before now... and I wonder about the programming from the dead engine being properly mapped onto the exchange engine... as it’s mechanically all new on my car that would seem to make the most sense...

Anyway, on Monday it’s going back in to the garage that did all the work...I’m not overly worried, they’ll call the cavalry in if they can’t fix it themselves... we’ll see what transpires! Lexus RX450H - 500 mile a week commuter- I just couldn’t trust in a newer RRS or DS for that….
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Think we’ve got it down to Ecu as I changed the Ecu and had a second hand one reprogrammed and then the smoke started having this one getting software update next week I’d not another Ecu didn’t realise it started after Ecu was changed so many things gone on forgot when so I sat down and worked out when I’ll keep u updated

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didn’t realise it started after Ecu was changed so many things gone on forgot when so I sat down and worked out when I’ll keep u updated

long story short had loads of issues it going in limp mode changed loads of parts and in the end got to the point if u had negative throttle so not accelerating or slowing at about 2,000 revs it would kangaroo a bit so put it in landrover specialist garage who said turno pipe had hole and ecu wasnt talking to turbo so had another ecu fitted lots of went on and took car back in end the problem was the vains in the turbo where damaged from previous engine doing its swirl flaps so had turbo rebuilt cured all problems but this other ecu being fitted started the smoke problem but dont have origonal ecu to fit other wise i think all will be ok. so mate in landrover with there software going to do software up date if not sending ecu back to the people that did it or buy a new one and have programed car owes me thousands now so got to fix and get moneys worth as once we have first start its fine after that may be a remap would sort it to

Well mine is fixed, finally… but what we found was not quite what the garage or I had expected… I said before I would post on how it's gone, so here we go...

Their first thought when I phoned in this issue was also on ECU, however in fact the ECU had been re-calibrated when the exchange engine went in, standard procedure for them so they hadn’t itemised it as a separate step… the bill literally says “exchange engine supplied, fitted and fully commissioned”… and then lists all the extra bits I had asked them to replace at the same time… Glowplugs (two were mashed by the engine destroying itself) injectors, diesel filter, starter motor, alternator, turbo, etc. were all extras I asked to get changed while the engine was on the bench…

Also, I had noticed an HDC alert and alternator light flash up briefly during the first cold start that morning, and which cleared after about 30 seconds - the engine took another 30 seconds or so to run properly... the guys told me that this points to the battery being below par, so we immediately swapped it out anyway… it had been in the car a good three years that I could remember, possibly more, so in fairness we should really have done so at the same time as the exchange engine…

They started by plugging their diagnostics thingee in again, and no faults at all came up from the ECU. Their view was therefore that the culprit was going to be something to do with diesel flow/supply to the cylinders.

With the engine running, we were all looking at the clear plastic diesel piping running to the rail from the filter, and my goodness… masses of small and some large bubbles clearly flowing past the diesel filter and into the engine, even when the engine had by now warmed up and was held at 2000 rpm for a good minute or so . Definitely not as it should be, and possibly explained a hesitant start, if not the lumpiness and smoke...

The guys tested what pipework they could for leaks, found nothing and then ordered in a new diesel filter to eliminate that as a cause - and remember, the one in situ was brand new as part of the engine transplant a week earlier - and hey presto, once it was primed and fitted, the bubbles had completely disappeared. They re-primed and put the “old” one back on to be absolutely sure, and hey presto, the bubbles were back… no question, a faulty filter! The good one went back on again and after a test run, I took the car home via a client meeting, a round trip of about 80 miles, and the car behaved well.

However, the post-overnight cold start next morning was still smokey and lumpy running for 30-45 seconds, just as before… So back to the garage I went.

The only possible conclusion left was diesel leaking into one or more of the pots overnight, and then being burned off at first start. So the four injectors (again remember, these were brand new with less than 200 miles on them) came off and went away for testing, and I was back in the courtesy car again… one of those where you feel the need for one car for each foot after driving an Land Rovers for so long...

Well, would you Adam and Eve it… not one but TWO of the BRAND NEW injectors were faulty (leaking) and have had to be replaced!!

This is not old parts going on back on the car in error... I dug out the old ones from the box of bits the guys had kept aside.

I’m not picking up the bill again course, though I expect my garage will by now have implemented a very firm connection between their proverbial boot and their injector supplier’s proverbial posteria, with my blessing!!

Anyway, today - perfect cold start… hallelujah!!

So there you go, a combination of issues as is often the case, in particular a below-par battery and faulty (new) diesel filter and some of the injectors, proof that even new parts can be faulty..

None of them were to do with the ECU at all … though I don’t know if any of this will help johnboyt04… Lexus RX450H - 500 mile a week commuter- I just couldn’t trust in a newer RRS or DS for that….
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had these new ones tested and all ok only thing i think can try is leave it over night and then take injectors out and look with camera see if a pool of diesel. only think ive learnt now playing about if i start it onthe morning cold start and hold tickover up about 950 ish give it a minute and it clears nd ticks over beautiful so other day i did this left it for five minutes ticking over sweet no smoke but when i went to rev it it coughed and smoked until i had done the usuel rev to clear so makes me think would be leaky injector as should of burnt off after 5 mins and there was no smoke ? so confused

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Deafender, out of interest, did they use Genuine LR parts? I have had problems with non-Genuine parts not being to spec or not working as they should. Exacerbated by the (indy) garage claiming the parts were genuine.

A mix overall... the exchange engine is definitely not an LR original, though the replacement starter motor, powered steering pump, air con compressor and turbo are all genuine LR.

The faulty diesel filter was definitely not, I'm not sure where it came from (it was part of the ancillaries kit supplied from the exchange engine vendor.) - the final replacement was a Mann filter from the garage's favourite motor factor, I saw that arrive while I was there.

The injectors were supplied in a kit as well... so I know that they didn't come from LR either. I did ask about the source, but given the red faces all round, there is understandably a bit of reticence around where they did come from, given that they were new yet two failed after installation, AND the vendor took five days just to test and confirm that they were actually faulty, leaving my car off the road for another seven days in all... whoever that was has lost the business from my garage anyway...  Lexus RX450H - 500 mile a week commuter- I just couldn’t trust in a newer RRS or DS for that….
2009 Freelander 2 HSE... 155K miles, we’ve done 135k of those, has done brilliantly on the commute and staying firmly put as car two in the household
2002 Jaguar XK8 Coupe... fun, fast, ours for 12 years and owes us nothing - so staying with us too…

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had these new ones tested and all ok only thing i think can try is leave it over night and then take injectors out and look with camera see if a pool of diesel. only think ive learnt now playing about if i start it onthe morning cold start and hold tickover up about 950 ish give it a minute and it clears nd ticks over beautiful so other day i did this left it for five minutes ticking over sweet no smoke but when i went to rev it it coughed and smoked until i had done the usuel rev to clear so makes me think would be leaky injector as should of burnt off after 5 mins and there was no smoke ? so confused