Steven.T wrote:

I really like the look of the new x trails. Only thing that puts me off is they seem a bit on the small side and I'm not convinced about them offroad.

We looked at a Mazda and it had black leather seats, black roof lining, privacy glass etc but no sunroof so it was like sitting in a small dark room with the lights off. The new ones I believe have a sunroof?

The Lexus NX 300h is getting high praise from owners over on Disco4.com. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

.....and so is the new (mini-me G Wagen) Suzuki Jimny

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apart from the colour that looks pretty good.... and being Suzuki it will be surprisingly good in the muddy stuff too

now if only LR can make a bigger version of that and call it the defender

But more so if Suzuki made a (much) bigger (four door) version.
A proper looking 4x4 and at a relevant budget price in comparison to LR etc...... I'd certainly consider one. FL2 now gone and have a couple of items left for sale:-

Brodit active iPhone holder + Brodit dash clip,
Bluetooth Music Streaming Module.

The original Suzikis where a solid green laning tool by virtue of their diminutive dimensions.

I agree with a point made above though that perhaps hold out for the new Defender.

Just in case slime green isn’t your thing

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Think I'll have a 'medium grey' one, thank you.  FL2 now gone and have a couple of items left for sale:-

Brodit active iPhone holder + Brodit dash clip,
Bluetooth Music Streaming Module.

Speaking of Suzuki I noticed the other day that a Vitara now just looks like an ordinary car, not an off roader at all. ----------
Tony S

funnily enough I was thinking the same about the current Vitara yesterday.
There was one a few cars in front of me at the lights and it was the same height as a normal hatchback behind it so at a glance didn't instantly look like an off roader.
That said both myself and my wife like the look of the Vitara and are considering one to replace the current Hyundai i30 used as my wife's car.
I think the new Jimny looks good, wasn't sure seeing the spy shots but looks better now it is officially unveiled. It's to small to be a main car for us but wouldn't say no to one as a fun runabout.
I have limited experience with them (drove one once years ago) but the even older SJ410 my brother had was a barrel of fun.

These smaller cars would be ideal for nipping up a snow covered road.
However, for towing, and the rougher stuff I am convinced that size matters.

I believe that when things get tough lots of torque is very necessary.

The Fl2 has quite a bit of weight (for towing), a large slow revving engine, and a torque convertor automatic gearbox.

Any other gearbox or electric drive cannot beat these qualities. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 79k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

I like the look of the Ford Edge and it's perminant 4 wheel drive that will be on my list when the time comes to swap car's

Smallmankey wrote:

I have limited experience with them (drove one once years ago) but the even older SJ410 my brother had was a barrel of fun.

Have got a Vitara S (1.4 turbo auto) on order due in a few weeks to complement the DS