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What else uses the Freelander 2.2

Ive tried searching, sorry if its been discussed before..
But what is the origin of the Freelander 2.2 TD4 /SD4 diesel engine?, Ford, Volvo, was it used in the X type Jaguar etc?
Just curious..... Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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Mondeo 2.2

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It's a 2.2-litre DW12 common rail turbodiesel engine, co-developed by Ford and PSA Peugeot Citroën.

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See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_EW/DW_engine

Developments of this engine used in many vehicles.

As said above see DW12 variant. Andy
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Oddly, the 2.2 in the X-Type was not the same engine.

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andyk159 wrote:
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_EW/DW_engine

Developments of this engine used in many vehicles.

As said above see DW12 variant.

Interesting, thanks!
Developed from the old Peugeot Citroen XUD engine, I had several of those in Peugeot 405s, fantastic engines Bow down Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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Unless they came without a turbocharger and then they were sllloooooow..... Shocked

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My first 405 was a non turbo diesel, it could shift when you got it wound up but the turbos were night and day different. Strange now how low their power out puts were, 72 horse power for the straight diesel and only 90 for the turbos. They felt quick enough then. Current freelander has more than twice the power of the turbos.

My favourite car that I have owned was my last 405, a 1996 GLX D Turbo estate in gorgeous diablo red (think LR Firenze red) with full black leather and the five spoke 306 Dturbo alloys. Wish i still had it! Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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I had a non-turbo 1.9L XUD in a Peugeot 305 estate back in the 1980s when we lived in Netherlands - superbly reliable and practical car for a young family travelling around Europe on their days off. But very slow. I eventually came back to the UK with it fully loaded, plus roof rack, plus trailer and on that long incline on the M18 from Hull it could only do 40 mph ! Jules

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As this is a PSA engine and used in Mondeos too, has anyone gone down the route of using Peugeot/Citreon or Ford garage/specialist to do cam belt & water pump please? Ours needs doing this year & local Land Rover specialist has quoted £594 for the job which seems rather a lot to me?!

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Turbo did someone mention turbo

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A good piece by John Cadogan as usual, but raises a few questions.

By his description, the turbo is driven by the exhaust gas pressure even at low revs, whereas my (presumably out of date) understanding was that there was normally a lower rev limit below which the Turbo was not running. My recollection was that this was visible on the boost gauge of the original Saab Turbos, as the boost only showed up at something like 2,000 rpm. This contributed to the Turbo lag and may have been engineered out on modern turbos? Is there a rev range where the turbo is not running, so that you can safely turn the engine off without giving the turbo time to cool? I’ve always assumed that doing the “last mile home” at low revs was a good thing and avoided the need to let it run on at rest for a while.

Also, the Turbo problem on the old 19J 2.5 engine on the earlier Turbo D Land and Range Rovers was overcome by the addition of a “paint can” oil feed to the turbo, so that oil continued to drain through the turbo after oil pressure had dropped when the engine was switched off. I had assumed that later engines had a similar turbo protection engineered in. Is this not the case? 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
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LMAO - love those ozzies Jules

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Worms wrote:
A good piece by John Cadogan as usual, but raises a few questions.

By his description, the turbo is driven by the exhaust gas pressure even at low revs, whereas my (presumably out of date) understanding was that there was normally a lower rev limit below which the Turbo was not running. My recollection was that this was visible on the boost gauge of the original Saab Turbos, as the boost only showed up at something like 2,000 rpm. This contributed to the Turbo lag and may have been engineered out on modern turbos? Is there a rev range where the turbo is not running, so that you can safely turn the engine off without giving the turbo time to cool? I’ve always assumed that doing the “last mile home” at low revs was a good thing and avoided the need to let it run on at rest for a while.

Also, the Turbo problem on the old 19J 2.5 engine on the earlier Turbo D Land and Range Rovers was overcome by the addition of a “paint can” oil feed to the turbo, so that oil continued to drain through the turbo after oil pressure had dropped when the engine was switched off. I had assumed that later engines had a similar turbo protection engineered in. Is this not the case?


Im no engineer but I think the turbo is spinning all the time but at different speeds - why would it stop ? the engine is sucking in gas and the exhaust flow is spinning both vanes the same way. But at low rpm the turbo's rotation does not add much compression - its not a linear relationship - so the turbo has to build revs to add compression thus inducing turbo lag, especially with large heavy turbos which take extra time to spin up (think of a jet engine). At high turbo speed the compression would go overboard without a waste gate valve to limit the inlet compression. Then you can add in factors like the flow of gas is pulsatile as a result of the reciprocal nature of piston movement - it all gets very complex and had taken years of experimentation to get where we are despite turbo engine being around since 1938 Jules

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jules wrote:
I had a non-turbo 1.9L XUD in a Peugeot 305 estate back in the 1980s when we lived in Netherlands - superbly reliable and practical car for a young family travelling around Europe on their days off. But very slow. I eventually came back to the UK with it fully loaded, plus roof rack, plus trailer and on that long incline on the M18 from Hull it could only do 40 mph !


I actually learnt to drive in a 305 estate, the 1769cc non turbo, Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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