Thanks for your quick replies, sensible ones as well! More than I got on the Discovery Forum.....

Will be sticking some in next fill up. What is the ratio per litre? I don't normally fill up, just put in 50litres at a time.... Discovery 3 TDV6

npinks wrote:

I just think if a car needed it it would already be in the fuel, (but i still understand the benefits as outlined by YF)

Too much messing about in my work suit, measuring in 300ml and then filling up is not something i can be bothered with

That about sums it up for me too ....

Whatever benefits there may be they are at best marginal. If improved fuel consuption is the driving force behind the idea of adding 2T thats fine but I would suggest that minor modifications to driving habits are going to be far more effectice and don't run the risk of conflict with you local service manager in the event of a problem. The investment made in aquiring an FL2 is such that a marginal improvment in fuel economy is hardly going to be a deciding factor, in buying or not buying; keeping of selling.

I understand the comments made about 'so called' expert opinion coming from Land Rover folks but you wouldn't expect them to do anything other than repeat the company line would you?

Having said that even the 'real' experts have different 'opinions', I work in the fuel industry and have access to a friendly in-house Dr of Fuels and through him also a Dr of Lubes. There are definitely different opnons around from other well qualified folks.

I'm the last person to want to support Land Rover in some matters, but I think its accurate to say that the FL2 is not systematically troubled by engine lubrication problems, (as it IS for instance with computer glitches!), to the best of my knowledge there has never been an engine failure reported through these pages that has been attributed to Land Rovers recommendations for lubes, from that I would draw the conclusion that Land Rover recommend lubes are OK.

Now is it possible that there are technically superior lubes available as compared with what is recommended, then yes I'm sure it is, but what is the incentive to use them if current recommendations are not causing problems? Stornoway Grey GS ... What a fine motor ... but not any more ... ... psst look at my gallery!
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They put some sort of diesel additive in the tank on my first service last month, but I forgot to ask what it was and what the purpose was
Does the same happen on first service's in other parts of the world

The vehicle certainly seemed to run much better after the service, but I don’t know if it had anything to do with this gunge  2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
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they put a additive in mine two

Said it was a engine cleaner of somesorts  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

I have the feeling that some members do indeed underestimate the benefits of a better motor oil as recommended by LR or the proven benefits of adding 2-T oil to the diesel. I agree that market conditions may be different (e.g. speed limit in UK, no speed limit in Germany, or country specific temperatures etc.), but the fact is that Germany is a "high tech" country, and you will have to accept that comparisons are made, and deficiencies are reported.
One of the large 3 technical verification authorities (here: DEKRA) have conducted a 18 months car check of all vehicles offered in Germany. Among the SUV's, our Freelander 2 has shown the worst reliability record of all SUV's for a milage of 100.000 to 150.000 km. After inspecting the technical components which have created trouble (mostly engine and gear box), the used oils have been identified as not suitable for its purpose under long term aspects. The recommendation is: change the motor and gearbox oil against a fully synthetic oil and most of the recorded problems could have been avoided.
Interesting was that DEKRA has reported an excessive clugging of soot in the turbo charger and the high pressure injection pump, besides malfunction of the DPF due to excessive sulphor ash deposits.
Please note that soot is not equal to ash!!! Soot can be burned, ash not.

YF

This is -again- remarkable news and the first time I see there should be issues with the gearbox. (auto ? manual ?) Do you have more details ?

The DEKRA-report does not differenciate between manual and automatic gearboxes. So Paul, I cannot answer your question. But I will try to get my hands on the details.

YF

In my opinion, as a marine engineer, the addition of approx 1:200 parts 2-st oil to an empty tank before refuelling has proved most beneficial. The engine is less laboured from 1st start after only a few seconds at cold temperatures, and also sounds much healthier. There is almost no visible exhaust, apart from the inevitable brief visible water vapour, and it smells clean; not the usual abnoxious whiff. I have been using 2-s oil now for around one year, and I can also claim improved fuel consumption; approx 10% all round. However, the engine is still in the process of 'running in', having done only 24.5k miles. My car has an auto transmission, and I have now managed to attain a max of just over 40 mpg, albeit running with minimum pedal power, which I cannot maintain for very long, simply because it gives one some excitement to overtake another car from the traffic lights.
GB, Mark and James: you should ignore this message, but I really don't think it will be a problem. You know nothing!!!
Chris

Another one: since using 2-s oil, no more addition of main lube oil.
I say again, my engine sounds really sweet, especially when up to temperature. It purrs!

I have topped up 3 times now with a JASO Grade FC (300ml added) and see a great difference in mpg. Sat in cruise control at 77mph and the returned average has increased from 30mpg to 33mpg over a 200 mile trip. (approx 10.6 l/100km to 11.7). Did 400 miles plus at the weekend and felt the car was more responsive in 6th and smoother.

For Yamaha Fan - found this 2 stroke in Halfords (Castrol Power1 Scooter 2T JASO Grade FD partial synthetic at £8.49). I have a DPF fitted is this suitable? I seem to remember you advising that a particular engine lube oil as being the best choice for FL2 TD4 but cannot find the thread -can you please direct me as I want to use the best quality at first service in January? 07 RRS Java Black

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Steuart64 wrote:

I have topped up 3 times now with a JASO Grade FC (300ml added) and see a great difference in mpg. Sat in cruise control at 77mph and the returned average has increased from 30mpg to 33mpg over a 200 mile trip. (approx 10.6 l/100km to 11.7). Did 400 miles plus at the weekend and felt the car was more responsive in 6th and smoother.

For Yamaha Fan - found this 2 stroke in Halfords (Castrol Power1 Scooter 2T JASO Grade FD partial synthetic at £8.49). I have a DPF fitted is this suitable? I seem to remember you advising that a particular engine lube oil as being the best choice for FL2 TD4 but cannot find the thread -can you please direct me as I want to use the best quality at first service in January?

It may have been a good idea to have given you the link.

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic2863.html

Regards
waaxh03

Out of interest, when your putting in the 2 stroke stuff have you used the stuff that has colour additive in it

I was at my local autospares shop and they had some which had either red or orange additive which i presume would dye the diesel for "easy identification"

Wouldn't this leave it red for Mr Customs or Mr Dealer to see what had been added  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Don't you worry: the coloring of the 2-T oil has nothing to do with the coloring of tax free or tax reduced diesel fuel for farmers and the like. 300 cc of colored 2-T oil to the tank will have no effect at all on the color of the diesel fuel. Besides this, the chemical components of the 2-T oil coloring are absolutetly different from the coloring components of the tax free diesel.

YF

Above this, the same tank lorries that ared use for the transport of diesel are often filded with red domestic fuel oil as well. Consequently the tank is always slightly poluted by the red colouring agent. The customs allow this so the coulouring by the 2T oil shouldn't be a problem either.