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RogB



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Yes your correct it does

i think all auto boxes have always pulled away in 2nd due to the torque converter and application of power.

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Greybeard



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Ok, Ok, I'm wrong! Glad I have an auto Smile .

Post #334273 1st Nov 2017 2:08 pm
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It's fake news that all auto boxes pull away in second when in 'Drive', mine has always and still does set off in 1st after coming to a halt. Unless I have an extra 7th gear hidden away somewhere.

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C8RTO



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I had a similar situation not along after I'd bought my TD4.e so returned it to the dealer who diagnosed a worn Propshaft bearing and replaced the whole Propshaft under warranty. Car is now spot on. _____________________________
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RogB



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EYorkshire wrote:
It's fake news that all auto boxes pull away in second when in 'Drive', mine has always and still does set off in 1st after coming to a halt. Unless I have an extra 7th gear hidden away somewhere.


Hence why I said ''think'' all auto boxes do it, im no mechanic and I don't profess to know everything about LR products..... although I know considerably more than most current LR sales people Laughing

the FL2 Aisin box definitely pulls away in 2nd, and I ''think' all LR auto have always pulled away in 2nd. Its because 1st is so low geared for off road use (as is 2nd gear as well) that pulling away in first is pointless as the change up is needed virtually straight away during on road use and provides almost maximum torque from a standstill. Pulling away in 2nd reduces repetitive strain on the drivetrain.

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blacktiger



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So how does it know when you're off road so it can use first? MY13 Santorini Black SD4 HSE

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RogB



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you are supposed to put it in manual mode for off roading so you have more control over the gear selection, otherwise it will be trying to change up gears at the wrong moment. Command shift holds onto the gears longer and HDC etc only works in 1st/2nd and reverse.

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But then you're more likely to be in the wrong gear for a dodgy part of terrain. Most of my dirt roading in France, Spain and Portugal I just left it in auto. I only used command shift when enjoying myself driving along the WRC stages.

I'm still not convinced. Confused MY13 Santorini Black SD4 HSE

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Ah, so, that explains a lot Bow down - when driving say on a pebble beach or uphill in thick clarty stuff in D it seems to struggle a bit, but put it into manual mode & 1st & hey presto, instant calm, tons of torque and relaxed slow progress. Like a disco with low ratio, it really puts on a new character.
ps mines an auto SD 14my FL2 Ex D2, D3, RRS, etc. now all gone.

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RogB



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blacktiger wrote:
But then you're more likely to be in the wrong gear for a dodgy part of terrain. Most of my dirt roading in France, Spain and Portugal I just left it in auto. I only used command shift when enjoying myself driving along the WRC stages.

I'm still not convinced. Confused


dirt roading is a little different to off roading IMO.

driving on dirt tracks (particularly in those countries where its mostly dry dusty tracks I would imagine) then D is fine as its very little to do with low down torque in 1st gear and more to do with applying traction to the wheels with most grip. The FL2 can sort out dirt roading in standard D quite adequately.

But for deep water, sand, mud, descents, ascents etc you need the low down torque to get maximum traction and grunt down when combined with the FL2 AWD electronics. This is only fully achieved in command shift 1st/2nd.

e.g. deep water.... 500mm......if you enter it in Drive, the car will struggle until you can gain momentum through the resistance of the water. You should enter the water slowly then slowly increase speed to create the bow wave etc etc. but 2nd gear will struggle to get the torque down, you need the even lower gearing of 1st. (I know this as the first flood water I went through in my FL1 Auto it almost died in Drive. But knocking it into manual 1st made a massive difference and I got through)

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Walenut



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My clutch has been slipping since shortly after I bought the car at 18,000 miles. It's now on 43,000. DMF require a really clean gear change with the minimum of clutch drag which I have been doing to maximise the clutch life.

This makes my think its a fly wheel problem not actually the clutch thats slipping otherwise it would have failed miles ago.

However most of my traveling is round town with very little motorway driving and I almost never overtake and accelerate hard so generally keeping the rev's low.

Exactly the same symptoms, slipping in 5th & 6th when accelerating hard. So you can keep it going for a while if you adjust your driving. Thumbs Up

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Cheers Walenut. Haven't actually been able to replicate it since, so it must be pretty early in the wear stage. Hopefully. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
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Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
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Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

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Mikey



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Less throttle, or drop a gear to accelerate Thumbs Up

Gives you time to start saving Laughing

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Worms



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Three weeks in and still getting used to my 59 Plate FL2. A couple of times I have wondered if I have this 5th/6th gear clutch slip - hard to describe the sensation, it seems to pull strongly and smoothly on acceleration, but there is a point where revs just drop slightly (you don’t feel it, just hear it), sounds like an automatic changing up a gear. As I say, speed build-up is consistent and smooth, no sensation of revving away with no response. I can’t get it to do this to order, just happens occasionally.

Last night with the car on cruise control at 60 in 6th, on a gentle up-hill incline, moving from single to dual carriageway (on the A9 northbound at the Slochd for those who know it), I used the plus control on the steering wheel to increase to 70. Pressing and holding the plus, it gave me a couple of seconds of acceleration then dropped out of cruise. Tried a couple of times and it did the same. On the flat it worked as normal. Does the sensor in the cruise control sense clutch slippage or does it just not like accelerating uphill? I know it detects full clutch engagement, but it doesn’t detect a slight touch on the clutch pedal (on my old car I was able to switch out of cruise by a very light tap on the clutch pedal but that doesn’t seem to work on the FL2). 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
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‘93 Defender 110 200TDi CSW
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‘83 110 CSW V8 - best ever!
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Walenut



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Yes mines done that a couple of times over the years. Never noticed whether it coincided with a hill or not? It's never developed into a problem so just ignored it.
A tap on the brakes will disengage the cruse control. Thumbs Up

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