After showroom tax, the increase in tax take will add £775 to a buyer's costs, assuming they hand on to it for the full 5 years. I suspect this will make no real difference. Although a substantial hike in fuel prices (the return of OPEC and the collapse in the Sterling to the value of the Dollar) will.

Yorky Bob wrote:

10% off a Subaru if you really want one. A DS may go for 3.5% off.

Wait until next April for big lumps off the expensive end of the 4wd market when the big hike in road tax comes in.

I did very well on the Subaru thank you local guy price matched the best Internet deal and also got 50% down 50% in 12 months, I was offered a DS at list -5% from a car broker for early delivery on a pre ordered HSE auto. Internet brokers are worth a weeks research before even walking into a showroom

I don't know if the increased taxes on cars above £40k will make a ha'porth of difference several things will happen, 1)

a whole raft of specifications will come out at £39, 999 with the ability to add "bolt on packs" after purchase so not affecting the price at first registration 2) A huge portion of vehicles over 40k go to fleet users, they will just continue to lease, but lower the the number of options that their fleet users get to specify , so as to keep the lifetime costs overall the same. 3 ) if you can afford to buy, finance or service a 50K or 60k or above vehicle you won't think twice.

The problem then comes when said 50k vehicle becomes 2 or year old vehicle and the asprational buyer is faced with the tax at rate + £310 untill it us 6 years old.

Then as Tigger says fuel costs can crucify non essential 4x4 sales , I can still remember the days of the £90 fill on the Freelander  2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Australia has 6 month servicing for Subaru, same as Toyota.

Local Subaru Outback reviews
http://www.caradvice.com.au/450150/2016-su...um-review/

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/63083/201...and-better

Freelander with a proper engine! Wifey is also quite happy to get the most out of the engine from the traffic lights, but she did have a Golf GTI in a previous life so it is no surprise!
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/57606/201...d-off-road Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

Tigger wrote:

collapse in the Sterling to the value of the Dollar

You will all be riding rusty push bikes in the not too distant future or for those who can afford it:
 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

Brexit family vehicle:

 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

Cheer us up some more!

I was looking at the spec of the new XC90, great sounding car until I used a website that you could configure the car with your caravan.. my van is average size & weight , with my van on the back of an XC90 the train weight is 52kg .. bit of a cock up by Volvo. Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

Decided it was time to look for something else after 2 Freelanders and almost 6 years.
Found a good 2yr lease deal on a new VW Tiguan 2.0 150PS SEL. Comes with all the bells and whistles and is very, very nice inside & out.

Didn't want to put a lot into diesel, so decided to lease and look what's around in 2 years.

Managed to get a very good online quote for my 2013 HSE LUX via Sytner's from a link I found here. So much so, it's only been a week from the initial quote, to me agreeing a price and dropping it off at Guy Salmon later this week. Had to barter a little over £500, but the price I'm getting is £1000 better than the WBAC quote and I thought it a good time to sell.

Got to say that my latest incarnation HSE LUX has been equivalent to the best cars I've owned previously and is night and day better build quality than my first 2010 HSE. Sorry to see it go, but will look at LR/RR again in a couple of years!

Few years off but - I like XC60 if dash was updated- if they upgrade similar to XC90 then will be looking closely at one 2011 XS,Sumatra Black, GONE MARCH 2014- RR Evoque Prestige 5 door ,MY 2014,Loire Blue, Silver Roof, Panoramic roof.
MY 2016 Disco Sport HSE Auto Scotia Grey,REJECTED
Mercedes E220D AMG line with air suspension(Gone)
DS 200 SE Dynamic my 21 (Gone)
DS 200 SE Dynamic my 22 (Gone)
Audi Q5 40TDI S line (gone)
Discovery Sport D200 S 2024 MY

The way my HSE is going I think I would be happy with a Cart and Horse. Only dead fish go with the flow

[quote="MartynB"]

Yorky Bob wrote:

I was offered a DS at list -5% from a car broker for early delivery on a pre ordered HSE auto.

Keep my name out of this one that was MartynB form up int Thalifax hills.

But to answer your question dorsetfreelander:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-order FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

Sorry to be pedantic but my wife and daughter are both English graduates and they get upset about this sort of thing. Just don't get them started on apostroph's.  3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

I thought a pre-order was a car specified and ordered from the factory without a buyer by a dealer on spec, then punted out to the trade if not sold within a period, some times the ordering dealer will use the expression, used to be described as a vehicle in stock. In this day and age there is no stock, just pre -orders and cancelled orders to indicate a bargain that doesn't exist. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

[quote="dorsetfreelander"]

MartynB wrote:

Yorky Bob wrote:

I was offered a DS at list -5% from a car broker for early delivery on a pre ordered HSE auto.

What exactly is a "pre order"? I have noticed this term coming into use recently. You just "order" something regardless of whether it's been made yet.