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SLiF- how come you pay UK tax if you live and work in France. Surely you would qualify for non uk residence Status?

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Anyway - the vote has been made and Brexit had a majority so instead of sniping we should all come together and ensure that the future is rosy for all UK citizens.

I will go straight to your last point as the rest of the post is just rubbis.
The MD of JCB said if the UK left the EU he could sell machinery to the rest of the world , mr dyson left the uk because he was fed being curtailed by the EU.
Again , why don't you immigrate ? Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

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I will go straight to your last point as the rest of the post is just rubbis.

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The MD of JCB said if the UK left the EU he could sell machinery to the rest of the world

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mr dyson left the uk because he was fed being curtailed by the EU.

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Again , why don't you immigrate ?

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The MD of JCB said if the UK left the EU he could sell machinery to the rest of the world , mr dyson left the uk because he was fed being curtailed by the EU.

"My wife is in receipt of a Government (not State) Pension that is always taxed in the UK. Just a nice little way that the UK Government has screwed it's ex-employees for years."


You must remember that your wife enjoyed tax relief on the input to her pension and we, the tax payers, funded the employers contributions so perhaps its only fair that the income is subject to UK income tax outwith the personal allowance.Rather than moan about her copper bottomed indexed linked pension and the bit of tax paid on it you should celebrate the fact that she has got one.

I hardly think we are in a mess with the pound stabilized, equity markets at plus pre brexit levels, and the BoE allowing more liquidity into the market for domestic use. Australia and New Zealand want to sign up for trade deals even before the new PM is in place and I suspect Canada and a host of other Commonwealth countries will follow suit. In the meantime youth unemployment is rife in Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal and the banking system of Italy is on the verge of collapse. Greece will probably default next week (?) on its IMF loan and so another round of cap in hand bail outs will be called for. The Euro has suited Germany and to a certain extent France but has been a ball and chain for many weaker economies.

We import more from Europe than we export and so when the horse trading starts and the sabres are sheathed we may well find that we can get a good trade deal as Mrs Merkel and Hollande face elections in the next year or so and I cant see the German auto industry or the French farmers (what a diplomatic lot they are) allowing their respective leaders to throw a hissy fit. But even if we cant the £10 billion we get would go a long way to cover any tariff in the short term whilst we sort out deals elsewhere without the hindrance of getting 27 other nations with their vested interests to agree.

Anyway this has all been gone over a million or more times and the British electorate have voted OUT and I am very pleased at that and am confident that we shall celebrate the fact over the medium to long term. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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You must remember that your wife enjoyed tax relief on the input to her pension

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I am very pleased at that and am confident that we shall celebrate the fact over the medium to long term.

Well, judging by the results of the poll on this thread I don't suppose there will be many on this forum that agree with my views, but Ike everyone in this Country I do have the right to express them

I have been a Euro Sceptic for many years and agree that there are many issues which needed addressing, but had decided some while ago that on balance, to leave was madness. After the results had come in I felt a mixture of anger, upset and disillusionment. It seems that we have decided that we don't like our house so have decided to leave it because someone says there is a better one that we can move into. Unfortunately no one could tell us what the new house would be like, just that it would be better. I suspect that when we get there it may be very much like the old house or even worse.

Why am I angry, upset and disillusioned?
I am AU&D that we had a referendum on such a complex issue at all with a simple Yes/No answer. The process causes massive divisions and bitterness in the Country. Young-Old North-South Rich-Poor Educated-Less Educated England v London-Scotland Northern Ireland and so on
I am AU&D that the campaigning was a disgrace from both sides, but particularly from the leavers based on half truths and lies
Many people seemed to have little understanding of the full implications and balance of what they were voting for and so opted for a single populist issue
A lot of the postal votes were completed some time before June 23rd and anecdotally I have heard of a number of people who put their votes in and then for various reasons as the debate continued wished they could have changed it
I am AU&D that there is a much increased possibility of the breakup of the UK
I am AU&D that it now appears that one of the Leave lead Campaigners never even believed that Leave would win but chose to campaign as some sort of complex scheming plan to become Prime Minister in the future. And having achieved that he has deserted us.
I am AU&D that some people in our Country seem to think that an "out" vote entitles them to be abusive and racist to anyone that they believe are "foreigners"
I am AU&D that if I express my regret at the referendum result, I get aggressively told......."You lost.....get over it"
I am AU&D that we are about to set of on a massive journey into the unknown with years of uncertainty on the basis of a very slim majority of those who voted
I am AU&D that our civil service and government will spend years dealing with the technicalities and legislation required to extricate us from 40 years of EU membership
I am AU&D that we have ignored almost every single world leader, almost every financial think tanks, all political parties bar one, all our elected MP's bar about 160 but Putin and Trump think it is a good idea!!

I hope that if it is decided to hold another referendum on a similar issue......Scotland's membership of the UK for instance, a few lessons may be learnt
Major changes to the status quo should require a substantial majority 60/40 say and a minimum turnout of say 75%
There should be a "don't know" option on ballot papers to differentiate from "can't be bothered"
Campaigners should be held to account for the claims, statistics and data they use
people over the age of say 85 should not be eligible to vote

I am a part owner of a manufacturing Business which supplies the building industry. We employ about 85 people. 8 years ago with the credit crunch we were massively hit and to survive we made about 30 staff redundant. Since then we have gradually rebuilt and re-invented the business so that we are now ahead of where we were in 2008. What I can tell you is that our phone has hardly rung during the past two weeks. What I expect is that that will pass as customers who are currently "hiding behind the sofa" will come out and projects that are started will be finished............but I am very fearful that in 6 - 12 months the Country will be in recession and I will have the unpleasant job of making staff redundant again. Investment has been on hold for months with the uncertainty around and I don't see that changing for years. If I am proved wrong I will be very pleasantly surprised

I was for 10 years involved with the creation if EU Standards. To me this work showed me the best and worst of the EU machine. This was the writing and maintaining of Standards, some compulsory and some voluntary, for my industry. Most of the work was carried out by individuals from businesses who were not paid (except by their employers) overseen and assisted by a few professionals from national Standards bodies (for the UK BSI) and the EU version of that.
On the bad side some of the bureaucracy was mind numbing and appalling
On the good side European Standards were contributed to and written by representatives of many countries working together, but the lions share of the input came from UK, France and Germany. Also when issues were voted on, the votes were weighted by population or size of economy, so the UK punched its full weight. I guess that in future we won't be represented on those committees but we will still have to comply with them!!

Anyway, I have said far to much already even though there is a lot of stuff not included that is in my head......so I will stop now. I don't suppose anyone will be much bothered to read this, but for me Turkeys voting for Christmas!!

Oh yes....I meant to say that I think that imports and exports are not really the big issue. As everyone says trade will happen whatever albeit at a higher cost maybe. It is the service and financial sector that comprises 80% of the UK economy that is the biggest issue

Steve

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I don't suppose anyone will be much bothered to read this,

Hi Steve - not a Turkey but FREE THINKING individual and regrettably this is the stance taken by a lot of remain voters - without exception all looking at the "possible " short term problems rather than the medium and long term benefits of controlling our own destiny rather than hoping for the accord of 27 other diverse nations .

I'm bowing out and going to tie some flies for my fishing trip tomorrow. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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I did and I disagree - still waiting to hear a good reason to stay in the EU, apart from the UK economy which I have seen rise and fall numerous times for various reasons.

I noted the FTSE building stocks that dived on Fri 24 June with the reasons given as 'market uncertainty', then the same stocks recovering (to well above 12 month lows) on Mon 27 June with reasons given as 'market rebound'.

A famous quote comes to mind: "The stock market is full of individuals who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing".
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We voted out.

That, sadly, is an incontrovertible fact. Yes, we can talk about turnouts and mandates and whether we were lied to by politicians (shock!) and all those other things, but the truth remains; by our current electoral system, the British public voted out.

And so that is the mess that now needs to be dealt with by the current government.

But you know what really pickles my potatoes? It's the "holier than thou" attitude of the "leave" voters.

Because they have no plan as to how to deal with an exit from the EU, their entire position is now based on the concept of "there, there.....don't worry your pretty little head about it. It'll all be fine. We know best - just you wait and see."

And so as billions of pounds/dollars/yen were wiped off of currency markets, as businesses close (I know of two local businesses that are closing as a direct result of the "leave" vote), our political system descends into a fur-lined, ocean-going, marble-fronted shambles (and I'm sure the laughing stock of the world), and markets splutter flatulently along with the Sword of Damocles seemingly poised above their heads all we seem to hear is, "don't worry - it'll all be fine. Markets DO go up and down you know, <chuckle>. We've got this - it'll all work out perfectly.".

And perhaps they're right. Maybe this is all just a short term "blip" that we need to weather. This might be the best thing to have happened to the UK since Admiral Lord Nelson woke up one morning and thought to himself, "I wonder if I've got a bigger boat than that Napoleon bloke....let's go find out".

But equally they might be wrong. The point is, they have no idea, and they KNOW they have no idea. They're just guessing.

Yes - I voted "remain" for a whole gamut of reasons which are now largely pointless to debate.

The fact is, we're out - I just wish the "leave" voters would get off their ivory pedestal of mutual back-slapping, admit that we have no plan to actually execute an EU exit, and sit down and figure one out.

I was going to tie some flies but had a last peek before sitting in front of the vice and yes Choccymonster has confirmed all of my points above - you don't need to be Einstein to realise that Brussels will not negotiate until and when article 50 is enacted. So all this boloxxs about not having a plan is just that, boloxxs.
Nothing much has changed and nothing much will change and for at least 2 years, and should a company that Choccymonster knows have folded then one wonders what sort of company it was, obviously with very little capital reserve to go under within a week.  MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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Nothing much has changed? Take a look at the exchange rate for Sterling against every single currency in the world and think again.

Yup - great for UK exporters, sending the FTSE-100 to its highest level for a year. Rolls Royce alone are predicting additional sales of £400M and profits of £40M on the back of this.

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Yup - great for UK exporters

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sending the FTSE-100 to its highest level for a year.

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Rolls Royce alone are predicting additional sales of £400M and profits of £40M on the back of this.